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post #766 of 902

Hi all, I am a long time reader/lurker and bought a few gear based on the reviews and the recommendations on this forum (Meelec M6 x2, M9 x2, Monoprice 8320, Fiio E11, Monoprice 8323, Philips She3590, JVC HA-FX101) so thanks!

 

I think i am a basshead, and I just cant resist to ask this question:  I bought a pair and exchanged for a 2nd pair of Monoprice MHP-839 (Monoprice 8323), but they both have less bass than even the Monoprice 8320, did I really just got 2 duds?  I mean, even with iphone 5S at "bass boost" setting and E11 at EQ2 and High Gain, I get non-rumbling bass when playing Flo-Rida's "Low"  (all of my IEMs performed well in this set-up, even the Monoprice 8320)

 

Could some1 with a MHP-839 (Monoprice 8323) shed some light for me?  TIA

 

regards,

M


Edited by macky112 - 7/7/14 at 3:14pm
post #767 of 902
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Originally Posted by SkitZ0 View Post

Man it's been a while since I've been back to the Basshead club.  Last time I was on this site heavy I was recommended a pair of Ultrasone DJ1's, that I love to this day.  However, I want something more portable.  Can anyone recommend a good set of IEM's that sound like the Ultrasone DJ1 or better for around $150 or less?  By better I mean either the same or better bass response, and preferably less harsh treble response because it sounds like screeching noise in my ears and I hate it with a passion (hilarious because I love EDM), and obviously clear enough to not sound like a pair of mud on my ears.

M audio q40 for a full size recommendation, denon c300 for an iem.
Edited by sloomingbla - 7/7/14 at 6:57pm
post #768 of 902

Got my E12 today...at first I had the wrong settings which made me quite disappointed, but now that I got it the way I want it it can provide major bass and even better clarity than the E6 can provide. I also paired it with the E6 and it provides such heavy bass it's ridiculous. I've got my ViPER4Windows set to some major bass boosting settings yet the amp can negate those effects when you want to watch a video, or it can harness those effects and give more mid/upper bass boost. Wish it game more sub bass boost, but regardless you can feel the bass with this one. It seems as thought he E6 can provide more bass as it is an amp that can give you coloration to your sound, but the E12 seems to be more of a clarity and HiFi oriented sound. This would easily fit the audiophile bass name quite well. I'm also curious to see what the +16dB gain can do for the bass as well, but I'm afraid it will blow my headphones. XD

 

Also, what exactly does the crossfeed do, and should I bother using it? I know it blends the two channels together but what effect does that really have?


Edited by xskugga - 7/8/14 at 9:20am
post #769 of 902

Crossfeed can be the most useful tool when listening to music recorded specifically for speakers, that were never checked through a headphone during mastering for compatability.  Listen to some Beatles tracks with headphones, its impossible because left and right channels play entirely different tracks...blend them together with crossfeed and through headphones is much better. 

 

I dwelved heavily into all sorts of speaker and crossfeed dsps in the past, but I dont think any of it is necessary for most records out there today, engineers are smart enough to know that a lot of people will be listening to their creations on headphones.

post #770 of 902
Thread Starter 

Back from my trip!

 

List will be updated tomorrow. 

 

Please accept my many apologies for the delay.

 

Missed you, guys!

 

(also, I bought a pair of JVC HASZ2000 whilst away..)

post #771 of 902
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Back from my trip!

 

List will be updated tomorrow. 

 

Please accept my many apologies for the delay.

 

Missed you, guys!

 

(also, I bought a pair of JVC HASZ2000 whilst away..)

Apologies accepted!

How was the trip?

Missed seeing your posts around!

Impressions on the JVC SZ2000 incoming?

post #772 of 902

Haha...welcome back Jensy!

 

For a minute there I thought you might have dissappeared into the woods for meditation as a part of some kinda warrior training regime...

 

How was your trip?  Where did you go?  What did you do?

 

:bigsmile_face:

post #773 of 902
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Crossfeed can be the most useful tool when listening to music recorded specifically for speakers, that were never checked through a headphone during mastering for compatability.  Listen to some Beatles tracks with headphones, its impossible because left and right channels play entirely different tracks...blend them together with crossfeed and through headphones is much better. 

 

I dwelved heavily into all sorts of speaker and crossfeed dsps in the past, but I dont think any of it is necessary for most records out there today, engineers are smart enough to know that a lot of people will be listening to their creations on headphones.

I kinda like the old non cross fed records, I think they sound pretty cool.

post #774 of 902

Yup, made for an interesting perspective for sure.

post #775 of 902
Thread Starter 
The following have been added to the lists in the OP - Thanks heaps guys. Much appreciated. (Click to show)
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 


All the new HDs can be added to the list really, they all have pretty significant boost in the bass.

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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

Please add the Sennheiser HD8 DJ to the list, I can vouch for its ability to be amped to amazing levels of bass (and it controls that bass quite well, a necessity for EDM).

 
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

I would like to add the Xiaomi Pistons 1.0 to the IEM list.
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Originally Posted by smithamb View Post
 

Type: In Ear

Brand: Atomic Floyd

Model: Superdarts

 

I would say these deserve a place on the list

 

 

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Originally Posted by PsiCore View Post

Yesterday I had the pleasure to listen to Audeze LCD-2 for about 3 hours.
This was a mesmerizing experience, which left me totally sad, that I need to let them go today...

Are these an audiophile basshead wet dream? The surely could be. I was amazed and surprised with how good they sound.

At the beginning I was sceptic - could they really sound better then my Unique Melody Merlin? Well, yeah, they do. They seem to be a natural upgrade from the customs.

Bass: deeep, strong, but, man, is it incredibely well controlled. My standard bass boost settings were bloating the most cans (HD8 DJ, D600, SRH1540), but the LCD-2's bass is still being superbly kept under control. Fantastic!

Midrange: Oh my, I'm in love. I though the Merlins had the best midrange to date, but these cans are so sweet. Detail, vocals, beautiful.

Highs: exactly how I like it. Extended, but velvetly smooth. No harshness or fatigue at all (not possible with them!). Man, was I surprised when I heared new things on some very well known tracks - I couldn't believe it.

Comfort: the leather pads are great, but for some reason, my right ear kept pusing on the inner side of the cans (the left was perfectly fine).

Most cans grow on me (the Merlins needed a month I think), but I instantly felt in love with the Audeze. If they weren't open headphones and the strange comfort issues, I would probably starting to save money wink.gif So, are there any closed cans, which sound similar to LCD-2? LCD-XC? biggrin.gif
 
 
I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that you and I have similar taste in cans - this confirms it. I am Merlin + LCD 2.2 all the way!
 
The comfort issues were quickly remedied for me by bending the headband - It's really pliable but sturdy metal, so you can bend it right back, and almost perfectly shape it to the size of your head. I wear mine for watching movies, no issues.
 

 

Ended up buying the highly controversial HASZ2000 whilst in Japan.

 

I'm using them with the Digizoid ZO on the highest setting, with a Fiio E18 with bass boost on, in High gain mode.

 

Still not really being blown away by these - am I missing something? 

 

Without EQ I can't say I'm a huge fan. And unfortunately a headphone that "needs" eq isn't something that will stick around in my collection for very long.

 

They are, however, quite comfortable. Not as much as D2000, DT770, HD600 etc, but definitely more comfortable than your average can.

 

They fold too, which is great.

 

I'm also a fan of their styling.

 

The pads are a bit weird. Any word on being able to swap them? I put some DT990 pads on, but they didn't quite fit right. The little bump/lip on the SZ2000 makes it a bit awkward. 

 

 

A quick word on headphone EQ:

 

To me, Headphone equalisation are like the drinks that are sold at a live show. You don't NEED the drinks to enjoy the show, they are just there to potentially enhance your experience.

 

A show that NEEDS drinks is not one I'm terribly interested in going to. Same goes with headphones. Unless they sound good "as-is", I'm not too keen on being forced to use EQ.

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

The LCD 2.2 can smash faces apart with EQ, and I'm waiting on mine to come back from a mate before I do a head-to-head bass test with the SZ2000. The difference here, is that the LCD 2.2 is an amazing headphone, even without EQ.

post #776 of 902
Thread Starter 

Double post, 

 

re-igniting my love for the DT770.

 

 

Mods: 

  • DT990 black velour pads
  • Removable cable mod
  • Home-made braided cable, Canare connectors.
post #777 of 902

The DT770 is the most common studio headphone in the professional world, I'm wondering if they are more neutral than perceived here at head fi?  With the Z2000, perhaps others are seeking a different quality with regards to bass, hence its raving reviews?  I agree about the LCD2 and EQ, its a bit pricey, but when allowed the benefits of EQ, frankly, I cannot see any other headphone, open or closed in the dynamic offerings that could possibly come close to its 15 watt capability...for desktop use, perhaps other planars might also be quite good, but I can't see any other technology that can end game the extreme bass category like the LCD2 can, once EQ is brought into play.

 

I might need to check out these Merlins, are they a balanced armature design?  BAs have supreme bass control, but I'm not sure of their EQability, the SE530s of mine distort easily on hi volume, with eq would get worse Id imagine.  But yeah, the SE530s are too dark in the treble and I could use an upgrade.

post #778 of 902
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

The DT770 is the most common studio headphone in the professional world, I'm wondering if they are more neutral than perceived here at head fi?  With the Z2000, perhaps others are seeking a different quality with regards to bass, hence its raving reviews?  I agree about the LCD2 and EQ, its a bit pricey, but when allowed the benefits of EQ, frankly, I cannot see any other headphone, open or closed in the dynamic offerings that could possibly come close to its 15 watt capability...for desktop use, perhaps other planars might also be quite good, but I can't see any other technology that can end game the extreme bass category like the LCD2 can, once EQ is brought into play.

 

I might need to check out these Merlins, are they a balanced armature design?  BAs have supreme bass control, but I'm not sure of their EQability, the SE530s of mine distort easily on hi volume, with eq would get worse Id imagine.  But yeah, the SE530s are too dark in the treble and I could use an upgrade.

 

Good point - I'm excited to do my head-to-head comparison of the Audeze and JVC offerings in a few days.

 

The Merlin is:

 

1 x Dynamic bass driver

2 x BA mids

2 x BA highs

 

It's my favourite IEM. 

post #779 of 902

The Merlin is around 900 dollar mark.  I payed 800 for the SE530 at Bondi Harvey Norman...but back then I could afford it easily, may have to wait.  I am unemployed and financially off track once again.

post #780 of 902
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

The DT770 is the most common studio headphone in the professional world, I'm wondering if they are more neutral than perceived here at head fi?  

 

Guess it also depends which version of DT770 though, the Pro 80 ohm is probably the least balanced while is it the 250 ohm and 32 ohm not as bassheavy. I've only got experience of DT770 Pro/80 ohm variant myself and it's anything but neutral.

For studio use I think neutralism is overrated, it's not the only way to go around things. You could also adapt to any headphone sound signature by listening to many different professionally mastered songs/tracks and familiar yourself how it sounds like with THAT headphone and tweak it yourself with that headphone you use to sound similar as those recordings. Of course it needs a bit experience in ability to percieve sound but I use Q40 with its measured 8dB bass boost to master hardstyle tracks without any issues. But my point is you can use professionally mastered recordings as a target, if you aim your mastering to sound similar in various aspects (I'm talking EQing, reverb, stereo width etc etc) it will most likely be fine. The ability to accurately interpret by ear comes with experience though.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 7/10/14 at 12:01am
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