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post #316 of 1827

Never heard of Don Scorpio brand. Just looked em up and they look like a cross between the Momentum and the B&W P5/P7. Might have to pick up a pair and give em a try. Where can I pick some up? Are they a Chinese brand? I just got a D2000 with Cocobolo Rosewood cups for my sub bass fix. :D

post #317 of 1827

Thanks for the responses so far.

Yeah, I don't like bright phones.

In JRiver Media Center, in order to get some decent response from the Shure 535s, I have GEQ -1.5 for lower mids and -3.5 for 1K through 6K, then treble at -1.5

I then have bass PEQ to have +3 at both 25 and 40 HZ, a low-shelf filter (60 Hz) at +2, but then I have 80 Hz at -3 and 100Hz at -2. ( I don't like that buzz between 80-120 Hz when it stands out).

Then I have the Bass setting on the iFi iCAN amp at the max setting.

 

This sounds pretty good for the Shures, which I have had for a while, upgraded from the 335 before then. I actually just got the iFi iCAN amp yesterday, so I had the 3 bass PEQ bands (25, 40, and the low shelf) a bit higher.

It is still not enough bass, and if I play with the EQ in JRiver too much, it triggers the limiter too quickly which kind of muffles everything a bit. Though this little iFi amp has gotten it pretty close actually. I am quite impressed as even the iFi guy said it wouldn't make much difference over the amp in my DAC as these Shure are so easy to drive.  There is definitely more bass, better low extension, and better control, even though I have gain set at 0 and can't turn up the volume past 9.

 

I don't really have a favorable opinion on over the ear phones, but I am starting to think it would be better for my ears in the long run working all day with them on, and that just as with actual subwoofers, there is no replacement for displacement (or was that cars...).

I definitely do not want to lose the detail and intimacy I get with IEMs.

post #318 of 1827
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Originally Posted by nipponbiki View Post
 

Thanks for the responses so far.

Yeah, I don't like bright phones.

In JRiver Media Center, in order to get some decent response from the Shure 535s, I have GEQ -1.5 for lower mids and -3.5 for 1K through 6K, then treble at -1.5

I then have bass PEQ to have +3 at both 25 and 40 HZ, a low-shelf filter (60 Hz) at +2, but then I have 80 Hz at -3 and 100Hz at -2. ( I don't like that buzz between 80-120 Hz when it stands out).

Then I have the Bass setting on the iFi iCAN amp at the max setting.

 

This sounds pretty good for the Shures, which I have had for a while, upgraded from the 335 before then. I actually just got the iFi iCAN amp yesterday, so I had the 3 bass PEQ bands (25, 40, and the low shelf) a bit higher.

It is still not enough bass, and if I play with the EQ in JRiver too much, it triggers the limiter too quickly which kind of muffles everything a bit. Though this little iFi amp has gotten it pretty close actually. I am quite impressed as even the iFi guy said it wouldn't make much difference over the amp in my DAC as these Shure are so easy to drive.  There is definitely more bass, better low extension, and better control, even though I have gain set at 0 and can't turn up the volume past 9.

 

I don't really have a favorable opinion on over the ear phones, but I am starting to think it would be better for my ears in the long run working all day with them on, and that just as with actual subwoofers, there is no replacement for displacement (or was that cars...).

I definitely do not want to lose the detail and intimacy I get with IEMs.

My w1000x has great initimacy and detail, it even has a mid bass hump... you might like it espically with a tube amp that has well a bass boost! 

post #319 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

yes you just might, and you may enjoy that journey more. You know why I stick around this thread? It's cuz the desire for MORE BASS is what got me into head fi, I just discovered dub step, and my 3'rd pair of Sony MDR v150's snapped in half on me [I crushed 3 pairs of those... each time the head band or the hinges]

 

anyways, I figured HECK this is my FOURTH pair of these headphones, instead of buying a pair of these every 3-4 weeks and spending like $80 in a year, let me just get some like $80 headphones! So that's what I did, I wanted something with MORE bass than the headphones I had, so I wound up with the Sony XB 700... and those things where BASS CANNONS, with a nice sound stage actually. Anyways, I was a little disappointed with them at first, so I deiceded to amp them! Smart move on my part as they sounded better amped, now then I thought maybe... my iPod nano is lacking in the bass region? So I said HEY let's get a Zune HD, the internet says they are bassy [and indeed it was, compared to the iPod the Zune was a little darker and the Eq settings on it had a nicer bass option] after that I tried the JDS Labs cMoy Bass Boost and the Fiio E 11, since I wanted more bass than my lil Fiio E6 could power up... 

 

Then I came to that point... at which I decided... I also like listening to VGMS and OSTS... those genres bass isn't everything... so I went and compared my XB 700 to my buddies Bose headphones... and by gawd those boses had better mids and a touch less treble sparkle... my friend informed me that was a more balanced sound signiture 

 

I listened to some jazz next on his Bose's and thought again... hey I like jazz with a "more balanced sound" a little less bass... then 6 months later I wound up with the Beyerdyanmic DT 880 pro 250 ohm, I also learned the dt 880 pairs really nice with a warm source... kinda like the hm601. and just my luck! I was a broke kid with a Zune HD only worth like [I ended up getting $60 for it at a pawn shop... it could never sell] and I wound up finding a hm601 for $125 [half what I paid for my zune >.>] and to my suprise... it sounded a LOT BETTER than my Zune! 

 

So, I started as a bass head... back when Bowei was still on this thread we'd argue about his Pro 900 compared to my XB 700 ... and now my HE 4 and D2k smash them both, lawl back then Bowei considered the PRO 900 to be a tight bassy headphone, ofc he heard the HE 400 and his defination of "tight bass" changed a bit

 

but the idea is, a good number of us start off here then wind up on the other threads and wind up with the nicer balanced cans! 

Well, I guess that's part of the journey of audiophilia. Best to enjoy the journey, right?

 

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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post
 

Never heard of Don Scorpio brand. Just looked em up and they look like a cross between the Momentum and the B&W P5/P7. Might have to pick up a pair and give em a try. Where can I pick some up? Are they a Chinese brand? I just got a D2000 with Cocobolo Rosewood cups for my sub bass fix. :D

Actually, the Dolphins look more like a smaller, wired Parrot Zik to me. Give it a Google, and see the similarities. They look like bros.

Also, yes, they are a Chinese brand, and if you're looking for Chinese-branded headphones and earphones, there's no better place to get it than at penonaudio.com.

post #320 of 1827
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Originally Posted by AudioNoob101 View Post


I have heard that too,but unfortunately the 900's carry a $500 price tag :/ My budget is about $250

Pro900's are surely a bassheads dream can. Keep watching the for sale board as they come up for sale for between $250-300 regularly. Or watch Amazon and their used or open box sale items. Got mine there for $252 I believe.
post #321 of 1827
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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post

Never heard of Don Scorpio brand. Just looked em up and they look like a cross between the Momentum and the B&W P5/P7. Might have to pick up a pair and give em a try. Where can I pick some up? Are they a Chinese brand? I just got a D2000 with Cocobolo Rosewood cups for my sub bass fix. biggrin.gif

That Denon should hold you for awhile.........redface.gif
post #322 of 1827
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Well, I guess that's part of the journey of audiophilia. Best to enjoy the journey, right?

 

Actually, the Dolphins look more like a smaller, wired Parrot Zik to me. Give it a Google, and see the similarities. They look like bros.

Also, yes, they are a Chinese brand, and if you're looking for Chinese-branded headphones and earphones, there's no better place to get it than at penonaudio.com.

They DO kinda look like a Parrot Zik. Lol. Thanks for the heads up on penonaudio.

post #323 of 1827

Yeah, the D2k in stock form had enough sub bass for me to start. I can't wait to get my cocobolo woodied D2k!

post #324 of 1827
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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post
 

They DO kinda look like a Parrot Zik. Lol. Thanks for the heads up on penonaudio.

No problem.

 

 

Anyway, any news on the list? I haven't done anything the entire day, was too busy writing my Pistons reviews again.  Might as well finalize things before I get the first batch posted.

post #325 of 1827

Nobody has said anything since the last post about the list..

post #326 of 1827

Hey guys.


Edited by PocketSmiley - 5/16/14 at 9:39am
post #327 of 1827
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Originally Posted by nipponbiki View Post
 

Hey guys, I posted this in the full-sized headphones forum, but nary a response have I received, so please help!

 

Hello,

 

I would like a full-size set of cans that would be an upgrade from my Shure 535.

When I say upgrade, really the only thing I don't like about the Shure 535 is the lack of low, visceral bass.

 

So, I would like something that retains all the positives of the Shure, plus adds the benefits of full-sized cans vs IEM, plus produces wonderful, low-end bass (not mid-bass).

 

Current setup is JRiver PCM-to-DSD realtime conversion -> Herus DAC -> Shure 535

I do have a separate amp (iFi iCAN, not the nano) on the way, which should arrive tomorrow actually, so I can probably power just about anything available?

 

Budget isn't a huge constraint, but if suggestions are 1000+, I think I would rather go the custom IEM route, in which case, suggestions on those are welcome as well.

 

After doing some reading the last few hours, some possibilities have emerged:

Ultrasone Pro 900

BW P7

Senn Momentum

Alpha Dogs

 

Some other info if it helps.  I plan on keeping the Shure 535, so this is not as a replacement, but I want something for when I am working at my desk. I have had the 535 for some time, but just recently invested in the JRiver software, Herus DAC, and iFi iCAN because I now work at home.

 

I listen to mostly breakcore (Venetian Snares), Jungle (before it was static and boring DNB), trance, ambient, dubstep, and some DNB. This is why bass (low bass) is important. 

I also love some jazz, some classical (think Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No. 2, Tchaikovsky, Chopin), Hearts of Space selections, Kitaro, and other music with real instruments.

 

Thanks for any feedback!

 

So you want sort of a balanced sound with boosted bass?

Those are a bit hard to find! LOL

You could look into:

 

Ultrasone Signature Pro (used... better value)

MrSpeakers Mad Dogs Pros

Shure SRH1540

M-Audio Q40 (though they might be brighter than the SEs)

Final Audio Pandora Hope VI

 

Those pop-up out of my head at the moment. The rest are more v-shaped than you'd probably like.

From your list, I don't find the Alpha Dogs as "bassy" and although the Momentums are "Ok", I wasn't particularly wow'ed by them (in fact, I liked their ON-EAR version more even though it was more bloated and softer in the high freqs). Haven't tried the Pro 900s but bear in mind that THE ARE V-Shaped... Haven't tried the P7s either so cannot say anything about them. :)

 

Hopefully more people might recommend others! Good luck! :)

 

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

I listened to the Momentums in a heapdhone store at the Hong Kong International Airport a few months ago. Despite the noise, I was still able to get a good impression from them. I have to say, I wasn't blown away, but I was impressed at most. The price tag was a little daunting though. 

 

As for your deal, I think I'll pass up on that (heh). Haven't bought anything above $150 yet, knowing all the awesome headphones in the sub-$100 range. I'm still eagerly eyeing the Don Scorpio Dolphins, known for their impressive sub-bass (and I so absolutely love sub-bass).

 

I guess you mean DonScorpio DRAMA and not Dolphins...

 

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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post
 

Never heard of Don Scorpio brand. Just looked em up and they look like a cross between the Momentum and the B&W P5/P7. Might have to pick up a pair and give em a try. Where can I pick some up? Are they a Chinese brand? I just got a D2000 with Cocobolo Rosewood cups for my sub bass fix. :D

 

Yup, they are Chinese... I think they were born out of (or cooperates) with Velodyne...

 

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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post
 

Nobody has said anything since the last post about the list..

 

I think that dividing them by price tiers and leaving the list as-is for the moment (i.e. no extra "bass" ratings, etc.) sounds good to me. Of course, if people want to send THEIR ratings to White Lotus, especially if these ratings are compared against other bassy headphones they might have, then it sounds good/appealing to me...

 

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Originally Posted by PocketSmiley View Post
 

Hey guys.

 

Hello! :)


Edited by gelocks - 5/16/14 at 11:48am
post #328 of 1827

I would like to nominate the Philips Fidelio X1 for inclusion on THE LIST.

post #329 of 1827
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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post
 

I would like to nominate the Philips Fidelio X1 for inclusion on THE LIST.

+100, it tastefully combines the traits of audiophile and basshead sound in one lively-sounding package. 

post #330 of 1827
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

I guess you mean DonScorpio DRAMA and not Dolphins...

 

 

I think that dividing them by price tiers and leaving the list as-is for the moment (i.e. no extra "bass" ratings, etc.) sounds good to me. Of course, if people want to send THEIR ratings to White Lotus, especially if these ratings are compared against other bassy headphones they might have, then it sounds good/appealing to me...

 

do mean the Dolphins. The guys over at the Chinese Brand Thread said they've got great sub-bass. I haven't read anything on the Dramas, so yeah.

 

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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post
 

I would like to nominate the Philips Fidelio X1 for inclusion on THE LIST.

A lot of people say that the X1s have great bass for an open 'phone, and I've always wanted a pair, so I say nominate it as well!

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