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post #286 of 1827

Guys, I'd like me a little playful budget brother for the TH-600. Must be quite a bit leaner in the boom department. Rest of the sig may stay. What comes close and to mind?

post #287 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 


It's a wonderful basshead can with good sound quality period.  I put Alpha pads on my pair and there's a thing called the "Kees mod" which I believe is aimed at reducing the treble.  Some folks have trouble with the piercing treble as they call it - I do not, as I'm fortunate enough to be 52 and don't hear about 16khz, or I just am not affected by bright headphones. 

 

Just as I figured, those idiots cancelled the order. Too bad you can't leave feedback on cancelled orders at Amazon or I'd have ripped them a new one. (Stay away from the merchant called BESTSELLER21 at all costs!) So I'm taking a different approach now... I've read a lot about the Shure SRH1540, so I ordered one each of the Ultrasone Pro 900 (at the higher price, sigh) and and the SRH1540. Plan is to return the loser and get a second of the winner. I'll compare and report back.


Edited by Stereolab42 - 5/15/14 at 2:47pm
post #288 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

HOW DOES IT SOUND???????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

I've not heard any one getting Lawton Mods on a TH900! How does it improve you must SHARE THIS WITH US 

 

 

Sorry - I did share the mods on the TH900 thread but here it is for you my friend.

 

Bass, which is already epic, and NOT muddy, tightens up.  Mids are more clear and treble is to my 52 year old ears, "sharper", meaning more clear as well I guess.  I'd say it reduces the tizziness that any headphone might have and makes the cymbals crystal clear to my ears.  I've tested my hearing and don't get anything above 16khz nowadays but that's not all bad for my age I am told by the audiologist.  Bass tho is the crown jewel.  It seems as though the Lawton mods made it more bassy in a good way (hard to describe) but what is there, even the light stuff, is so crisp.  There's a song by Zachary Breaux called Small Town in Texas that has at the very start a drum combination that I can listen to over and over as it is not a thump but a snap if that makes any sense, and sounds sooooooo sweet.  Try it on your Denon's. 

 

In the end, the $99 fee to have Mark do the mods is well worth it.  I'm comfortable taking apart any Denon/Fostex now and would have done it myself but had Mark get rid of an XLR connector for me and put on a 1/4" plug as well.  Point is I would recommend the mods and doing it yourself is not difficult. 

post #289 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

 

Just as I figured, those idiots cancelled the order. Too bad you can't leave feedback on cancelled orders at Amazon or I'd have ripped them a new one. (Stay away from the merchant called BESTSELLER21 at all costs!) So I'm taking a different approach now... I've read a lot about the Shure SRH1540, so I ordered one each of the Ultrasone Pro 900 (at the higher price, sigh) and and the SRH1540. Plan is to return the loser and get a second of the winner. I'll compare and report back.


Sorry it got cancelled.  I'm interested to hearing your comments on the 1540.  

post #290 of 1827
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

Guys, I'd like me a little playful budget brother for the TH-600. Must be quite a bit leaner in the boom department. Rest of the sig may stay. What comes close and to mind?


Budget?  Q40 for around $130 is a good one.  X1 for being open back is good for around $200.  How much less bass do you want?

post #291 of 1827

Q40 huh. One of the first that came to my mind too. Good price, that's what I mean with budget. I've just seen that RPGwizard has one up for sale but mentions that a driver rattles a bit which more people have reported on? Fidelio I seriously disliked from the get go. I thought that one was too lean down low and uncomfortable. Probably a Philips bias. See, the TH-600 does really well with some recordings where the bass amount is just right but on others it's way overpowering. When I then apply EQ I go down by around 3 to 4 dB at 64hz. Hard to say how much less. Half!? If the X1 was the half of half then half would be allright. God, I don't know :D

post #292 of 1827
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

Q40 huh. One of the first that came to my mind too. Good price, that's what I mean with budget. I've just seen that RPGwizard has one up for sale but mentions that a driver rattles a bit which more people have reported on? Fidelio I seriously disliked from the get go. I thought that one was too lean down low and uncomfortable. Probably a Philips bias. See, the TH-600 does really well with some recordings where the bass amount is just right but on others it's way overpowering. When I then apply EQ I go down by around 3 to 4 dB at 64hz. Hard to say how much less. Half!? If the X1 was the half of half then half would be allright. God, I don't know :D

 

If you do consider the Q40, I got mine for $79.99 on eBay one week ago, I don't think it comes with a warranty as I think it is discontinued...but you can get a $6 SquareTrade two year electronic warranty to cover it and get Beyerdynamic velour pads (highly recommended) and spend the same as you would on Amazon. Make sure you have an AMP if you get it...it benefits greatly from an AMP, if not it sounds great without one. It can offer clarity, heavy bass, and neutral sound when you want it...if that is what you want this is a great option. As for the drivers rattling, I have not had that unless at high volumes with very heavy bass.

 

It looks like your S.O.L for the $79.99 deal unless Golden Market (I bought mine from them, they will charge you a 15% restock fee for returns, be aware) has more than what they are claiming.


Edited by xskugga - 5/15/14 at 3:18pm
post #293 of 1827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

I'm actually a bit confused about the list...  LOL

 

Me too. Let's work together as a team to clean it up?

 

If you guys believe a certain product should not be on the list, say so now! 

We shall cast a vote on each product. 

I will flag each disputed product on the list, to make it clear that it's in the danger zone of being knocked off.

 

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

 

[Brand]
Model: $price ($actual price) [source]

 

This is good. It's good, clear objective information.

 

I worry about "bass ratings" as it's very subjective, and could open the thread up for multiple attacks from fanboys/die-hard fans of certain products.

 

Maybe the easiest way to do it, is just to have a clear "bass rating" out of ten - zero being not very bassy, ten being a face melter.

 

Also, the subject of EQ in the list is a hard one to get around. Maybe the best solution is to "flag" certain headphones as "EQ REQUIRED"?

 

Or, maybe have a bass rating out of ten, then a SECOND bass rating, for after EQ?

 

[Brand]
Model: $price ($actual price) [source] [Bass: x] [EQ Bass: z]

 

 

Lastly, categorisation is probably the trickiest. Alphabetical isn't great.. But to be honest, price range isn't either, as prices fluctuate so wildly. 

 

For example, thatBeatsguy has done great work on sourcing the first few prices, unfortunately the LCD-2 in my are is actually $1500, which is roughly $1400 USD - several hundred more than is listed.

 

Although.. come to think of it, price barriers would make the list incredibly easy to browse. 

 

If I were a new user, had $100 to spend, wanted some crazy face smacking bass, but I don't like EQ - 

 

I would navigate to the $50-$100 category, and see which headphones had the best "Bass" rating, and ignore the "EQ Bass" rating.

 

Maybe price actually IS the best categorisation? 

 

Thoughts?


Edited by White Lotus - 5/15/14 at 3:55pm
post #294 of 1827

Maybe do it the way Joker did his multi IEM review? List them in tiers generalizing lowest cost and move up? Tier 1 (price range between $0-$30 and so on moving up the ladder in price with remarks after as to quantity over quality rated by a number system?)

post #295 of 1827

I still think simple is the way to go when it comes to things. KISS principles aside, categorizing too much will only make sparse and hard to navigate lists.

 

It's almost 2 AM and I'm sitting in my office, rocking out to Macklemore - Gold (yeah, lovin' it since Saints Row IV). I have to move databases and do some major maintenance work. I'm expecting to sit here until those numbnuts return to their offices. Hehe, numbnuts.. I wuv 'em. Better scientists can't be found. That's why I'm sacrificing a few nights here and there. If I didn't like them I'd just tell them "Sorry dudes, no database work today, I've got maintenance to do...". Now I sit here to make their work flow.

 

(Did I mention I'm high ohn caffeine right now? Whooo)

post #296 of 1827
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Me too. Let's work together as a team to clean it up?

 

If you guys believe a certain product should not be on the list, say so now! 

We shall cast a vote on each product. 

I will flag each disputed product on the list, to make it clear that it's in the danger zone of being knocked off.

 

 

This is good. It's good, clear objective information.

 

I worry about "bass ratings" as it's very subjective, and could open the thread up for multiple attacks from fanboys/die-hard fans of certain products.

 

Maybe the easiest way to do it, is just to have a clear "bass rating" out of ten - zero being not very bassy, ten being a face melter.

 

Also, the subject of EQ in the list is a hard one to get around. Maybe the best solution is to "flag" certain headphones as "EQ REQUIRED"?

 

Or, maybe have a bass rating out of ten, then a SECOND bass rating, for after EQ?

 

[Brand]
Model: $price ($actual price) [source] [Bass: x] [EQ Bass: z]

 

 

Lastly, categorisation is probably the trickiest. Alphabetical isn't great.. But to be honest, price range isn't either, as prices fluctuate so wildly. 

 

For example, thatBeatsguy has done great work on sourcing the first few prices, unfortunately the LCD-2 in my are is actually $1500, which is roughly $1400 USD - several hundred more than is listed.

 

Although.. come to think of it, price barriers would make the list incredibly easy to browse. 

 

If I were a new user, had $100 to spend, wanted some crazy face smacking bass, but I don't like EQ - 

 

I would navigate to the $50-$100 category, and see which headphones had the best "Bass" rating, and ignore the "EQ Bass" rating.

 

Maybe price actually IS the best categorisation? 

 

Thoughts?

YEAP price is always the best way to categorize headphones for new members... well ALL have limited funds lol so what ever falls in our price bracket is what we want to see <3 

post #297 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Budget?  Q40 for around $130 is a good one.  X1 for being open back is good for around $200. How much less bass do you want? 

 

If we'd move away from budget for a minute. What can be said about an equal to the Fostex in price and quality skipping the Denon Dx000 line? I only have the Pandora in mind but a new one is too expensive.

 

 

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Originally Posted by xskugga View Post

If you do consider the Q40, I got mine for $79.99 on eBay one week ago, I don't think it comes with a warranty as I think it is discontinued...but you can get a $6 SquareTrade two year electronic warranty to cover it and get Beyerdynamic velour pads (highly recommended) and spend the same as you would on Amazon. Make sure you have an AMP if you get it...it benefits greatly from an AMP, if not it sounds great without one. It can offer clarity, heavy bass, and neutral sound when you want it...if that is what you want this is a great option. As for the drivers rattling, I have not had that unless at high volumes with very heavy bass.

 

It looks like your S.O.L for the $79.99 deal unless Golden Market (I bought mine from them, they will charge you a 15% restock fee for returns, be aware) has more than what they are claiming.

 

Thanks for the words. Didn't know it was that cheap! I am in Europe though and on Amazon.de and Amazon.fr they are at least twice the money. Still not bad. The rattle could very well be a non-issue but knowing that it's there beforehand puts me off :\

post #298 of 1827
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Me too. Let's work together as a team to clean it up?

 

If you guys believe a certain product should not be on the list, say so now! 

We shall cast a vote on each product. 

I will flag each disputed product on the list, to make it clear that it's in the danger zone of being knocked off.

 

 

This is good. It's good, clear objective information.

 

I worry about "bass ratings" as it's very subjective, and could open the thread up for multiple attacks from fanboys/die-hard fans of certain products.

 

Maybe the easiest way to do it, is just to have a clear "bass rating" out of ten - zero being not very bassy, ten being a face melter.

 

Also, the subject of EQ in the list is a hard one to get around. Maybe the best solution is to "flag" certain headphones as "EQ REQUIRED"?

 

Or, maybe have a bass rating out of ten, then a SECOND bass rating, for after EQ?

 

[Brand]
Model: $price ($actual price) [source] [Bass: x] [EQ Bass: z]

 

 

Lastly, categorisation is probably the trickiest. Alphabetical isn't great.. But to be honest, price range isn't either, as prices fluctuate so wildly. 

 

For example, thatBeatsguy has done great work on sourcing the first few prices, unfortunately the LCD-2 in my are is actually $1500, which is roughly $1400 USD - several hundred more than is listed.

 

Although.. come to think of it, price barriers would make the list incredibly easy to browse. 

 

If I were a new user, had $100 to spend, wanted some crazy face smacking bass, but I don't like EQ - 

 

I would navigate to the $50-$100 category, and see which headphones had the best "Bass" rating, and ignore the "EQ Bass" rating.

 

Maybe price actually IS the best categorisation? 

 

Thoughts?

Like you said, bass ratings are incredibly subjective, and though I haven't seen any actual fanboy attacks, I worry about that happening on this thread. And we all don't want that to happen. The part where you said that the price of the LCD-2 is different in your area than MSRP (in this case, it's higher) why don't we make some sort of average price range for them? However, I've already been working on more of the prices, and I already finished working on both the ATH and the AKG lists earlier (had to sleep at 3 AM for the Bass Lounge)...

 

We're gonna need a better idea, especially with the bass ratings.

 

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Originally Posted by cripple1 View Post
 

Maybe do it the way Joker did his multi IEM review? List them in tiers generalizing lowest cost and move up? Tier 1 (price range between $0-$30 and so on moving up the ladder in price with remarks after as to quantity over quality rated by a number system?)

 

Yes, that is possible. Organizing by price is easier, to be honest.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post
 

I still think simple is the way to go when it comes to things. KISS principles aside, categorizing too much will only make sparse and hard to navigate lists.

 

It's almost 2 AM and I'm sitting in my office, rocking out to Macklemore - Gold (yeah, lovin' it since Saints Row IV). I have to move databases and do some major maintenance work. I'm expecting to sit here until those numbnuts return to their offices. Hehe, numbnuts.. I wuv 'em. Better scientists can't be found. That's why I'm sacrificing a few nights here and there. If I didn't like them I'd just tell them "Sorry dudes, no database work today, I've got maintenance to do...". Now I sit here to make their work flow.

 

(Did I mention I'm high ohn caffeine right now? Whooo)

 

Exactly. We have to make something easier to navigate through, to help the newbs. I was thinking we could go by what Cripple1 said -- the Joker tier categorization. We could use a combination of his list and ours: say, we go by Joker's price list tiers, categorizing by price as first priority, then by brand name. That would be better. What do you guys think about that?

 
The format would probably go something like this:
 
Tier 1: $0-$30
[Brand]
Model: Price (orig price) [source]
 
So, bascially, the most daunting categorization of the list would be of the prices. That would take some time, but it shouldn't take too long thanks to Word's ordering tool. At other times, I've also been thinking about making a table chart.
post #299 of 1827

Tier/Brand/Model sounds like it could work to me.

post #300 of 1827
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

If we'd move away from budget for a minute. What can be said about an equal to the Fostex in price and quality skipping the Denon Dx000 line? I only have the Pandora in mind but a new one is too expensive.

 

 

 

Thanks for the words. Didn't know it was that cheap! I am in Europe though and on Amazon.de and Amazon.fr they are at least twice the money. Still not bad. The rattle could very well be a non-issue but knowing that it's there beforehand puts me off :\

 

The Beyerdynamic might be a good option for you then, still around €140, no clue why since they're made in Germany...but they've all got bass and clarity I hear. It might be a better option to find a seller that ships internationally, eBay can do so on some occasions.


Edited by xskugga - 5/15/14 at 9:41pm
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