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post #241 of 1827
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

More bass does not always equal better bass.

exactly, throwing a BIG driver doesn't garuntee a good mix of quality and quantity, which is why so many companies have a range of products... still the top end headphones are almost always 50+mm drivers, the TH 900, the D7000 the LCD 2 all of them 50MM + drivers 

 

That said, if you've got 13 choices within your price bracket, start by reaseraching the ones with the larger drivers becuz again they have more poential for epic bass, 

post #242 of 1827
Thread Starter 

It's all good mate - I think we had wires crossed somewhere.

 

Basically, I was just making sure everyone knew that a large driver doesn't automatically mean big bass. 

 

I've seen this misconception pop up a few times around bass threads - people sometimes get confused, especially newer Head-fiers.

 

Yes, a larger driver has more surface area, and therefore is potentially able to push more air, and provide a more tactile bass response we all know and love -  we as bassheads appreciate and understand that.

 

But:

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the driver is BIG on a headphone, does not mean that headphone has a lot of bass.

 

Perfect example: Sennheiser HD800.

 

:beerchug:

post #243 of 1827
Then you have driver material, enclosure, bass ports, not to forget that different diaphragm manufacturers tunes differently. I'd say that with all things considered, driver size is a pretty unreliable variable to go on.
post #244 of 1827
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

It's all good mate - I think we had wires crossed somewhere.

 

Basically, I was just making sure everyone knew that a large driver doesn't automatically mean big bass. 

 

I've seen this misconception pop up a few times around bass threads - people sometimes get confused, especially newer Head-fiers.

 

Yes, a larger driver has more surface area, and therefore is potentially able to push more air, and provide a more tactile bass response we all know and love -  we as bassheads appreciate and understand that.

 

But:

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the driver is BIG on a headphone, does not mean that headphone has a lot of bass.

 

Perfect example: Sennheiser HD800.

 

:beerchug:

Or the Sony MA-900 :D dat 70mm driver, dat bass (or comparative lack of it)

post #245 of 1827
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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

Or the Sony MA-900 :D dat 70mm driver, dat bass (or comparative lack of it)

The MA-900 is pretty bassy for an open 'phone, but in retrospect, I haven't really heard any open pairs before.

But hey, what can I say? I be list'ning to dat s't all day!

 

Honestly, I don't like its pads...I'd go for leather over that weird itchy fabric any day.

post #246 of 1827
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

The MA-900 is pretty bassy for an open 'phone, but in retrospect, I haven't really heard any open pairs before.
But hey, what can I say? I be list'ning to dat s't all day!

Honestly, I don't like its pads...I'd go for leather over that weird itchy fabric any day.
It does have a slight mid-bass hump but it's sub-bass leaves a lot to be desired and its bass quantity in general is kind of average. This is the basshead club though and a good amount of bass for us is more than the typical audiophile smily_headphones1.gif
post #247 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post

Then you have driver material, enclosure, bass ports, not to forget that different diaphragm manufacturers tunes differently. I'd say that with all things considered, driver size is a pretty unreliable variable to go on.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

It's all good mate - I think we had wires crossed somewhere.

 

Basically, I was just making sure everyone knew that a large driver doesn't automatically mean big bass. 

 

I've seen this misconception pop up a few times around bass threads - people sometimes get confused, especially newer Head-fiers.

 

Yes, a larger driver has more surface area, and therefore is potentially able to push more air, and provide a more tactile bass response we all know and love -  we as bassheads appreciate and understand that.

 

But:

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the driver is BIG on a headphone, does not mean that headphone has a lot of bass.

 

Perfect example: Sennheiser HD800.

 

:beerchug:

Yup yup and once again super yup!

 

Although I held the view that bigger is better, and because of it I've some how grown to walking around with full size Closed Backs on my head [D2k and W1000x]

 

either way those are ofc great points, 

post #248 of 1827
But it would be interesting if Sennheiser placed this driver into an endgame closed can.
post #249 of 1827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

But it would be interesting if Sennheiser placed this driver into an endgame closed can.


Something with wood on the back.. Different tuning..

 

Would probably be a game-changer. Who knows?

post #250 of 1827
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

The MA-900 is pretty bassy for an open 'phone, but in retrospect, I haven't really heard any open pairs before.
But hey, what can I say? I be list'ning to dat s't all day!

Honestly, I don't like its pads...I'd go for leather over that weird itchy fabric any day.
IMO I dont find the Ma900's to be bassy at all. They do have a nice amount of mid bass which helps for male vocals and rock music but the extension is disappointing. Other than that they're fantastic all-around cans with a wide soundstage and superb imaging. I love them! biggrin.gif
post #251 of 1827
Ahh decisions decisions. In a few weeks I'll have the opportunity to buy some new gear, and I have options but I don't know what to choose:

M Audio HDH50- No one has really tried these(Hawaii had those Akai, but no one knows if they are any different or not) and I don't know whether they'll be flat studio monitors or bass head fare. TBH I'll be happy either way, I'd just like to try them out.

Dunu DN1000- Heard a lot about these and I've wanted a pair for a long time. I'm probably most likely to get these, I've heard some good things about them but I'd like an opinion on what they're like in terms of bass. Also if anyone has any other ideas for IEMs with not too much bass, but nice clarity and depth.

Fiio E12- These are my last option, if I REALLY don't have anything else to buy which is highly unlikely. I already have an E11 but this would be a nice upgrade, but I'd like to stay away from this if possible.

Anyone got any ideas?
post #252 of 1827
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Originally Posted by razor5cl View Post

Ahh decisions decisions. In a few weeks I'll have the opportunity to buy some new gear, and I have options but I don't know what to choose:

M Audio HDH50- No one has really tried these(Hawaii had those Akai, but no one knows if they are any different or not) and I don't know whether they'll be flat studio monitors or bass head fare. TBH I'll be happy either way, I'd just like to try them out.

Dunu DN1000- Heard a lot about these and I've wanted a pair for a long time. I'm probably most likely to get these, I've heard some good things about them but I'd like an opinion on what they're like in terms of bass. Also if anyone has any other ideas for IEMs with not too much bass, but nice clarity and depth.

Fiio E12- These are my last option, if I REALLY don't have anything else to buy which is highly unlikely. I already have an E11 but this would be a nice upgrade, but I'd like to stay away from this if possible.

Anyone got any ideas?


I'm going to try the M-Audio units just because the Q40 was SO good.   Hope we can get them in early June. 

post #253 of 1827

Well I picked up two Ultrasone Pro 900s. For a brief time this morning an Amazon seller with great rep and a good return policy had a bunch of new ones in stock for $220 off the standard price. I knew this wouldn't last, and they indeed sold out quickly. I consider myself real lucky, and am now browsing the owner's forum for ideas on mods. (Of course, they haven't shipped yet, so I'm hoping I don't get an email stating they f'd up.)


Edited by Stereolab42 - 5/14/14 at 1:17pm
post #254 of 1827

I stumbled across this AMP/DAC while researching my options for an upgrade, and was wondering what all of you thought: http://www.amazon.com/FireStone-Audio-Firestone-DA-Headphone/dp/B0084FSGU4/

 

Should I give it a go, or just go with an E11/E12/CD5/ZO3?

post #255 of 1827

If you're contemplating an E12 as well as the C5(D?), you might as well put the E18 to the list. It has a DAC as well, and that DAC can be used on the go connected to a smartphone (which is quite rare). The E18 is pretty much an E12 with a (really good) DAC.

 

I think the C5D has the ability as well, but AFAIK it has less Android support.

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