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post #226 of 1831

Hey all! Got my JVC HA-FXZ200's in yesterday! Thanks for all the help. They sound great so far and a lot of bass but of course I'm still at the burn in stage. Going to leave them plugged in on my computer just playing away. Also got the E17 in on the same day! I'm almost ready now, just need to wait for the ZO3 to come out  :beyersmile:!

post #227 of 1831
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Hey all! Got my JVC HA-FXZ200's in yesterday! Thanks for all the help. They sound great so far and a lot of bass but of course I'm still at the burn in stage. Going to leave them plugged in on my computer just playing away. Also got the E17 in on the same day! I'm almost ready now, just need to wait for the ZO3 to come out  :beyersmile:!

Happy listening :) Are you really going to put the Zo3 in the chain with the E17? Have you tried the 200's with the E17's bass on +10? That's far more bass than my ears can handle for longer than 15 mins :basshead:

post #228 of 1831

Thanks! Haha yeah I'm going to chain them every now and then. Mostly going to just switch them in and out and also see which one works best. I haven't hooked them up together yet, I'm waiting till after this little burn in phase to do so. But now I'm excited haha.

post #229 of 1831

After listening to and tuning my bass-anemic DiY ortho for a day and a half, returning to the D2K was a shocker in 'so much bass' style :D

post #230 of 1831

Was able to try two bass-oriented headphones locally:

 

* Yamaha Pro 500: Did not get to plugin my own music, but the choices they had playing showed great SQ and bass. However, I hated the plasticky style and the headband was too big to fit comfortably. (Do people in Japan think Americans all have heads the size of beach balls? WTF?) Ruling these out.

 

* V-Moda M100: Superb bass -- I maxed out a 0db 32hz test tone on my iPod and the phones were jumping around, but weren't distorting yet. Would be crazy with an amp. However, I found the sound just too dark overall. And the earpads were too small, so I'd have to mess around with ordering the XLs. Are the SZ2000s dark like these? Can darkness be EQ'd away?

 

* Wanted to try the B&W P7s, which are in stock at the Apple store, but only the P5s were on display. And they sounded like pure, congested ass. Ouch. Forget B&W.

 

Really wish I could try the Ultrasone Pro 900s. Do their 40mm drivers hurt bass output compared to the 50mms on others?

post #231 of 1831
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post

Was able to try two bass-oriented headphones locally:

* Yamaha Pro 500: Did not get to plugin my own music, but the choices they had playing showed great SQ and bass. However, I hated the plasticky style and the headband was too big to fit comfortably. (Do people in Japan think Americans all have heads the size of beach balls? WTF?) Ruling these out.

* V-Moda M100: Superb bass -- I maxed out a 0db 32hz test tone on my iPod and the phones were jumping around, but weren't distorting yet. Would be crazy with an amp. However, I found the sound just too dark overall. And the earpads were too small, so I'd have to mess around with ordering the XLs. Are the SZ2000s dark like these? Can darkness be EQ'd away?

* Wanted to try the B&W P7s, which are in stock at the Apple store, but only the P5s were on display. And they sounded like pure, congested ass. Ouch. Forget B&W.

Really wish I could try the Ultrasone Pro 900s. Do their 40mm drivers hurt bass output compared to the 50mms on others?

I found the sz2000 to be quite a bit darker than the m100
post #232 of 1831
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* Wanted to try the B&W P7

 

Tried them the other day - was honestly disappointed. Absolutely loved the looks.. 

 

But not much bass, and seemed a little "honky" in the midrange. Perhaps an impedance matching issue with the in-store display audio setup? Who knows.

 

And honestly, don't get too hung up on driver size. Some people swear by the theory that "larger driver size = more bass", but let's just remember:

 

The Sennheiser HD800 has a 56mm driver.

The JVC sz2000 has a 55mm driver.

 

Yet the difference in bass between them is worlds apart.


Edited by White Lotus - 5/13/14 at 4:34pm
post #233 of 1831
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Tried them the other day - was honestly disappointed. Absolutely loved the looks.. 

 

But not much bass, and seemed a little "honky" in the midrange. Perhaps an impedance matching issue with the in-store display audio setup? Who knows.

 

And honestly, don't get too hung up on driver size. Some people swear by the theory that "larger driver size = more bass", but let's just remember:

 

The Sennheiser HD800 has a 56mm driver.

The JVC sz2000 has a 55mm driver.

 

Yet the difference in bass between them is worlds apart

No bigger does not mean more, it means better

 

and by better I mean a better sense of tactility, NEVER forget that sound is simply kinetic energy moving through the air, that energy pushes the air particles again'st our skin. There for music is as much heard as it is felt, ESPICALLY with sub sonic frequanices. There for a larger driver, has a great surface air with which to move air. Firstly and always a larger driver when tuned right will have a more tactical bass, well it always has the potential becauz it has more surface area it can thusly move more air, the space with which kinetic energy can be transfered from the driver to the air is greater, hence larger driver=better bass 

 

I had a friend of mine demo my D2k the other day, played her some Fat Jon. Well she reported to me it sounded wonderful and she could feel the bass again'st her neck, yet it didn't sound tubby or cheap, she felt it, there fore it had a greater sense of tactility 

 

and my D2k has been heaviliy moddified, and is very TIGHT with it's bass responce. 

 

Ok wow I just looked at some of the specs of the driver and that is pretty impressive. Just imagine if they used a bigger driver.

 

Still bigger does not GARURNTEE better, bigger simply means there is a greater potential. Having not heard JVC sz2000 I can't compare it to anything I own... but I'm sure it's not quiet on the level of the LA D2/5 or 7k, or the TH 600 and 900. at least not with respects to the balance of sound

 

My point is bigger = greater potential, how you use that potential is up to the maker of each headphone. I guesssss my point in case is how big are the Hifiman HE 400 and LCD 2 drivers... while it's different technology the concept is still the same, more surface area = more poential, although with Planars I guess we have to take weight into consideration

 

either WAY! I kinda want to hear the JVC sz2000, see how it compares to my D2k, sadly the Didio 901 sounds horrific 

post #234 of 1831
Thread Starter 

Lol - I work in live industry my friend, we manufacture and use many subs. More surface area will indeed push more air.

 

But I feel that you might have misunderstood my comment a little - 

 

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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post

 

Some people swear by the theory that "larger driver size = more bass"

 

This is not always the case with headphones. They need a lore more than just sheer surface area!

post #235 of 1831

The BassHead Mafia is like the Catholic Church during the medieval times. They're opinion's aren't swayed so easilty. Especially the people who think bigger driver's = better bass. 

post #236 of 1831
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Tried them the other day - was honestly disappointed. Absolutely loved the looks.. 

 

But not much bass, and seemed a little "honky" in the midrange. Perhaps an impedance matching issue with the in-store display audio setup? Who knows.

 

And honestly, don't get too hung up on driver size. Some people swear by the theory that "larger driver size = more bass", but let's just remember:

 

The Sennheiser HD800 has a 56mm driver.

The JVC sz2000 has a 55mm driver.

 

Yet the difference in bass between them is worlds apart.

 

Indeed, good point. One driver with a smaller cone area can get just as loud as another driver if it has a greater excursion (I believe this relates to Boyle's law -- change in volume relates to change in pressure). I'm more seriously considering the Ultrasone line, which is claimed to have a brighter sound, but given that none are available for demo locally that's going to require a big leap of faith on my part. Damn shame Yamaha so badly screwed up the physical design of their cans, they really sound sick.


Edited by Stereolab42 - 5/13/14 at 8:26pm
post #237 of 1831
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The BassHead Mafia is like the Catholic Church during the medieval times. They're opinion's aren't swayed so easilty. Especially the people who think bigger driver's = better bass. 

Size queens.

post #238 of 1831
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Originally Posted by GeneraI View Post
 

The BassHead Mafia is like the Catholic Church during the medieval times. They're opinion's aren't swayed so easilty. Especially the people who think bigger driver's = better bass. 

Everyone knows that bigger is better :D

post #239 of 1831
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Originally Posted by GeneraI View Post
 

The BassHead Mafia is like the Catholic Church during the medieval times. They're opinion's aren't swayed so easilty. Especially the people who think bigger driver's = better bass. 

really I've said it before I'll say it again, dude it's physics a larger surface pushes more air, end of discussion

 

does that mean that EVERY 50-55mm driver will have more bass than a >50mm driver no it doesn't, what it means is in general a larger driver has more poential for big bass, as of all the frequancies it's the lowest ones we call bass that we FEEL the most, and the bigger the driver the more air it can push, thusly the more bass our ears face and neck will get, ofc at the end of the day how much bass we get and the quality of that depends on the tuneing, but as a standard a larger driver has greater poential for bass output 

 

ofc JVC has shown great use of enhancing the tuneing of a driver to preform at it's best, the Frequancy response of the 2000 model is pretty good for the price! The use of two Drivers is totally old school but a very wise use. NOW imagine JVC released that same headphone tuned the same way with a 70mm Driver [like what the XB 1000 had in it] chances are it might just turn your brains to mush <3 

 

and now I'm worried BassHead radicals are going to burn me at the stake for the mention of physics 


Edited by Mshenay - 5/13/14 at 10:26pm
post #240 of 1831
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More bass does not always equal better bass.

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