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post #166 of 1827
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post

The only headphones I've ever had that quite literally tried to bounce themselves off of my head at the end of the 1812 overture!

 

"HEY, where do you think you're going? We still have Romeo and Juliet to get through yet! Get back here!"

 

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Originally Posted by iceman600 View Post
 

This past few weeks im thinking of buying a Sennheiser IE80 but after seeing this FR graph i find that its not that bassy compared to Shure SE215. Now im thinking of getting Shure SE215 instead. Am i looking at this the right way?

 

The 215s were good in my books, but not great. I don't think they would satisfy every basshead. They did, however, respond very well to EQ. I also didn't like the cable much, but other than that, found them quite comfortable. I haven't tried the IE80 before, but that bloat looks impressive, and now I'm interested.

 

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Originally Posted by Scorpion667 View Post

Might want to add Fiio E12 (non SE) which has a bass boost switch.

 

Added - thanks mate! You've been credited at the bottom of the amp section of the OP post.

 

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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post

The Shures look better from a sub bass point of view. However, are the Shures BAs? I know the IE80s use dynamic drivers.

 

The SE215 is a single driver dynamic, the SE425 is a dual balanced armature. 

 

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Originally Posted by svyr View Post

they were ok but I'd much rather a hybrid IEM for bass-head quality bass

 

Agreed - hybrids are currently (in my books) the kings of IEM bass, when they are done right. Stuff like the AX60, H300, even the older Super.fi 5 EB (that I never tried unfortunately) was a hybrid dynamic + BA.

 

I love the way most hybrids respond to EQ. Very little muddying, distortion, or struggling. Just clean, dominant bass.

 

The output impedance issues, however.. *Pulls out hair*

post #167 of 1827

White Lotus, how would you as a bass head say the LCD2's handle EQ in the sub-bass region? I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair and I auditioned them again yesterday at a store here in Sthlm. The store didn't have them hooked up to anything however, so I ran them through my Vorzamp Duo, which I imagine is extremely underpowered for the LCD2 :p Still they sounded awesome, even in the semi noisy store! When I flicked the bass switch on the Duo just for kicks I was blown away, but when I tried pushing the volume with the boost on I encountered clipping. Do you think this is a underpowered amp issue or do the LCD2's clip easily when sub bass is EQ'ed up? (The clipping occurred way above listening levels for me, so it's not a real issue. Just curious)

post #168 of 1827
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Originally Posted by esmBOS View Post
 

White Lotus, how would you as a bass head say the LCD2's handle EQ in the sub-bass region?

 

Hey mate - here is a copy of a post I made about this in the old Basshead thread:

 

Warning: BASS! (Click to show)

First impressions: This software is very, very good. APO with the interface is a godsend, not just for bassheads, but for anyone wanting to tweak and tune. I might use this for IEM reviews and comparisons, thanks for the heads up.

 

I tried a few basic bassy EQ curves with a few different headphones, and the results were good - the interface will do its best to avoid clipping if you get a little too excited, which is a good sign.

 

Then tried something a little more extreme, and tried a ridiculous curve with the LCD 2.2 (the red line is the one to look at):

 

 

I drove them with my Mini-i PRO DSD DAC/amp:

 

 

Absolutely ridiculous. Vibrating the living crap out of my skull. I don't want to damage the drivers, so I won't leave them slamming on my head all night. The LCD completely vibrates when you drive them hard enough.

 

The interface can often click and pop when you're adjusting it on-the-fly, so be careful, and turn it down when making adjustments.

 

When using additive EQ, as expected, some pretty heavy compression going on. 

 

TL;DR: Having this next to your ear, with absolutely stupid EQ curves, causes your entire head and face to rumble. Absolute gobs of bass, they refused to quit, and didn't distort.

 

 

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Originally Posted by esmBOS View Post

 

When I flicked the bass switch on the Duo just for kicks I was blown away, but when I tried pushing the volume with the boost on I encountered clipping. Do you think this is a underpowered amp issue or do the LCD2's clip easily when sub bass is EQ'ed up?

 

Unfortunately I believe the clipping in your signal is originating from your source :( It might not like additive EQ being applied when the gain is high. This is fairly common for portable DAPs, but I would be surprised if it was your amp.. Hmm.

 

Either way,

 

In the future, if you can, try to substract all frequencies that are above your desired bass level, then REALLY push the volume. It might have a more desired effect.

 

TL;DR: 

 

The LCD 2.2, when given EQ and suitable amplification, is an absolute head massaging bass experience. Pretty crazy amounts of distortion-free bass. Definitely not for the faint hearted! Even sub-bass test tones made my brain feel like it was rattling around in my head.

 

 

post #169 of 1827
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post Great post by WL: (Click to show)

Hey mate - here is a copy of a post I made about this in the old Basshead thread:

 

Warning: BASS! (Click to show)

First impressions: This software is very, very good. APO with the interface is a godsend, not just for bassheads, but for anyone wanting to tweak and tune. I might use this for IEM reviews and comparisons, thanks for the heads up.

 

I tried a few basic bassy EQ curves with a few different headphones, and the results were good - the interface will do its best to avoid clipping if you get a little too excited, which is a good sign.

 

Then tried something a little more extreme, and tried a ridiculous curve with the LCD 2.2 (the red line is the one to look at):

 

 

I drove them with my Mini-i PRO DSD DAC/amp:

 

 

Absolutely ridiculous. Vibrating the living crap out of my skull. I don't want to damage the drivers, so I won't leave them slamming on my head all night. The LCD completely vibrates when you drive them hard enough.

 

The interface can often click and pop when you're adjusting it on-the-fly, so be careful, and turn it down when making adjustments.

 

When using additive EQ, as expected, some pretty heavy compression going on. 

 

TL;DR: Having this next to your ear, with absolutely stupid EQ curves, causes your entire head and face to rumble. Absolute gobs of bass, they refused to quit, and didn't distort.

 

 

 

Unfortunately I believe the clipping in your signal is originating from your source :( It might not like additive EQ being applied when the gain is high. This is fairly common for portable DAPs, but I would be surprised if it was your amp.. Hmm.

 

Either way,

 

In the future, if you can, try to substract all frequencies that are above your desired bass level, then REALLY push the volume. It might have a more desired effect.

 

TL;DR: 

 

The LCD 2.2, when given EQ and suitable amplification, is an absolute head massaging bass experience. Pretty crazy amounts of distortion-free bass. Definitely not for the faint hearted! Even sub-bass test tones made my brain feel like it was rattling around in my head.

 

 

 

Thank you a bunch mate! I was hoping it had to do with my source and not limitation in the LCD drivers ;) I have a hybrid stereo amp (2 x 12 WRMS @ 8 Ohm) to drive the LCD's with (when I get them eventually... I have a wedding right around the corner that is eating quite a bit into my Head-Fi budget :D ) Will be joining the LCD club in the near future!

post #170 of 1827

So a few days ago I accidentally stumbled upon I Just Can't Stop by The Pitcher and I'm now officially addicted to Hardstyle. I knew about it before, but I'd never really got into it until now. Now this is gonna get really expensive...

post #171 of 1827

Hey all, brand new here and a huge basshead. I've been going around a bunch of topics and thought i had the Shure SE215 set, but after reviewing those graphs a page back I'm back to the drawing board. Huge EDM fan and i want something to blow up when playing the likes of Bassnectar.

 

Can someone help me out with getting great IEMs? I have a price range of ~200. I am also picking up Fiio E17 and a zo3 (once they start taking pre-orders soon). Thank you all and glad I found this club :) 

post #172 of 1827
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Originally Posted by T4k87 View Post
 

Hey all, brand new here and a huge basshead. I've been going around a bunch of topics and thought i had the Shure SE215 set, but after reviewing those graphs a page back I'm back to the drawing board. Huge EDM fan and i want something to blow up when playing the likes of Bassnectar.

 

Can someone help me out with getting great IEMs? I have a price range of ~200. I am also picking up Fiio E17 and a zo3 (once they start taking pre-orders soon). Thank you all and glad I found this club :) 


You might want to try the JVC HA-FXZ100 or 200. The measurements on GoldenEars.net look very promising for bassheads and one of us has to be the first to try them. They might be also candidates for the list.

 

http://en.goldenears.net/33669

post #173 of 1827
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Welcome, @T4k87 ! You've come to the right place.

 

In terms of IEMs, 

 

I'm not entirely sure the 215s will supply the deep, snappy bass you might require for those genres.

 

What is your budget?

 

My buddy @djvkool has some very reputable bass-heavy JVC IEMs, I'll ping him to chime in with his thoughts.

post #174 of 1827
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Originally Posted by T4k87 View Post
 

Hey all, brand new here and a huge basshead. I've been going around a bunch of topics and thought i had the Shure SE215 set, but after reviewing those graphs a p farage back I'm back to the drawing board. Huge EDM fan and i want something to blow up when playing the likes of Bassnectar.

 

Can someone help me out with getting great IEMs? I have a price range of ~200. I am also picking up Fiio E17 and a zo3 (once they start taking pre-orders soon). Thank you all and glad I found this club :) 

 

EDM's are certainly tricky, especially with basshead. One one end you love them quick, fast bass, but on the other end with 'extreme' basshead, they don't mind the lingering decay.

 

Personally I prefer BA-type bassy IEM for EDM (for example TF10, W3, Heir 3.Ai, Heir 5.0), but also, I do know that H-300 would be good too, not as fast as the BA-type bass, but it's no slouch either.

 

Pure bass monster, purely slam and impact, Hippo VB is probably the biggest one that I've heard, but for awesomeness total package, consider H-300 :bigsmile_face:

post #175 of 1827

nvm


Edited by xskugga - 5/6/14 at 8:57pm
post #176 of 1827
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Originally Posted by djvkool View Post
 

 

EDM's are certainly tricky, especially with basshead. One one end you love them quick, fast bass, but on the other end with 'extreme' basshead, they don't mind the lingering decay.

 

Personally I prefer BA-type bassy IEM for EDM (for example TF10, W3, Heir 3.Ai, Heir 5.0), but also, I do know that H-300 would be good too, not as fast as the BA-type bass, but it's no slouch either.

 

Pure bass monster, purely slam and impact, Hippo VB is probably the biggest one that I've heard, but for awesomeness total package, consider H-300 :bigsmile_face:

djvkool , Hippo VB would be greater than Wooduo 2 in the bass ? How could you compare the bass Hippo VB with bass H-300 ? 

All I would like to know if the low Hippo VB, Wooduo 2 or H-300 are as good as my old SF 5EB. I'm looking for a true replacement because the Velodyne vPulse not pleased me. :triportsad:

post #177 of 1827

Wow amazing and fast responses here, I'll look into everything stated here. And price range was posted above ~200.

 

I'll let you know what i decide to go with and how they turn out! Thank you all very much :beerchug:

post #178 of 1827
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Postado Originalmente por T4k87 Ver Post
 

Uau respostas surpreendentes e rápida aqui, eu vou olhar para tudo dito aqui. E faixa de preço foi postada acima de ~ 200.

 

Vou deixar que você sabe o que eu decidir ir com e como eles se voltam para fora! Obrigado a todos muito : Beerchug:

Search on ZH-DX210 Carbo Basso And Hisoundaudio Wooduo 2 too.

post #179 of 1827
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Originally Posted by robervaul View Post
 

djvkool , Hippo VB would be greater than Wooduo 2 in the bass ? How could you compare the bass Hippo VB with bass H-300 ? 

All I would like to know if the low Hippo VB, Wooduo 2 or H-300 are as good as my old SF 5EB. I'm looking for a true replacement because the Velodyne vPulse not pleased me. :triportsad:

 

I have not heard Wooduo 2, but know this, Hippo VB with the biggest bass plate tuning put on, and semi-loud volume, I can't listen longer than 5-10 minutes as I feel my brain is being vibrated to the extreme level

 

I reviewed H-300 recently, have a read :wink_face:

http://www.head-fi.org/products/t-peos-h-300-3-way-hybrid/reviews/10840 


Edited by djvkool - 5/6/14 at 9:56pm
post #180 of 1827
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 


You might want to try the JVC HA-FXZ100 or 200. The measurements on GoldenEars.net look very promising for bassheads and one of us has to be the first to try them. They might be also candidates for the list.

 

http://en.goldenears.net/33669

I have the FXZ200's, right out of the box they are quite boomy and bloated. But with serious burn in (yes, I did not believe in burn in until I got these and HA-s500's, CNT-drivers are different I guess...) they settle down and the veil is lifted! The bass is tight and endlessly deep! For reference I have A&H xd53's, DT770/80's, ath ES700's that I use for bass-heavy listening and non of them even come close to the shear quantity of bass of the FXZ200's (when EQ'ed)! I know it's comparing oranges to apples, but this is just to give you an idea (don't really own any bass heavy IEM's anymore...)! Without EQ, I find the 200's quite balanced actually!

I use them with comply tips, and the fit and seal is quite good, but the size of the units make them cumbersome to use on the go. Nowadays I only use them at home with my Fiio E17 when I want a true bass-fix! If I listen to something like "Sub bass Excursion by Bassotronics" with the bass set to +6 on my Fiio it will literally blur my vision! For me they are keepers in the bass-arsenal!

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