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RWAK 120-s vs AK 240?

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How do people size up the sonic differences between a modified 120 and the new 240?To me having 2 mini SD ports rather than one is a big advantage in terms of capacity going forward if you assume that the next jump in Mini SD will be from 128-256GB....Has anyone listened to the modified 120 and the 240?If so what are your thoughts?

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I would also be very interested in hearing a comparison of the AK240 and the RWAK120 S or B

 

Cheers

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Yes I had a very amazing opportunity today to listen to the brand new RWAK 240 modification vs. the Cord Hugo.  Blind testing using conventional CD quality 16/44.100kHz all the way to high resolution sources up to 24/192kHz.  Blind testing was conducted 7 times between the two sources and 6 of the 7 times I picked the RWAK 240 over the Cord Hugo with regarding to better SQ!!!  The differences were obvious and almost immediate to me. We were using the 2.5mm TRRS balanced output.  

 

I want to extend a huge THANK YOU to Tom Boozebuttons and Vinnie from Red Wine Audio for helping me make this testing a reality. I was so set on purchasing the Cord Hugo before the testing began I was shocked but my own ears told me otherwise.  Both really amazing and current state of the art DAC players.

 

Sincerely,

Speedracer1  (aka Tom)    

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Why didn't you add Clip+ to the mix?  You probably would have gotten 7/7 with the clip+  :evil:

post #5 of 13
That sounds awesome smily_headphones1.gif

Still after that illusive comparison of the RWAK120 and the AK240 though wink.gif
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Originally Posted by speedracer1 View Post
 

Yes I had a very amazing opportunity today to listen to the brand new RWAK 240 modification vs. the Cord Hugo.  Blind testing using conventional CD quality 16/44.100kHz all the way to high resolution sources up to 24/192kHz.  Blind testing was conducted 7 times between the two sources and 6 of the 7 times I picked the RWAK 240 over the Cord Hugo with regarding to better SQ!!!  The differences were obvious and almost immediate to me. We were using the 2.5mm TRRS balanced output.  

 

I want to extend a huge THANK YOU to Tom Boozebuttons and Vinnie from Red Wine Audio for helping me make this testing a reality. I was so set on purchasing the Cord Hugo before the testing began I was shocked but my own ears told me otherwise.  Both really amazing and current state of the art DAC players.

 

Sincerely,

Speedracer1  (aka Tom)    

WTF does this have to do with what the OP is asking? Totally irrelevant and blindly ignoring the question so you can showboat what you got to do and have a brag?

 

Your first word "Yes" blows my mind. No one asked you about the RWAK240 OR the Hugo. I don't know how you're comparing a DAP and an amp. 

 

Back on track, I would really like to know just like the OP from someone who actually has compared a RWAK120S (or even an RWAK100S) and a stock AK240.

post #7 of 13
Jlbrach just my $0.02. I have a 120 and a 240. Though the 120 is unmodified.

I found that 240 to be more analytical while the 120 being more enjoyable.

Details, clarity is with the 240, but if i just want to chill out and just enjoy music, id get the 120.

My location is prohibitive in sending the 120 for modification but i've been thinking about rwak or mezzo also and would be interested in a comparison if someone is able to share.
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I don't know if anyone is still interested, but there are reviews out there. From the ones I've read, the Rwak120b sounds on par for the most part or slightly better. A little more punch to the bass. But, I've seen two people that have had both sell their Rwak120b and keep the 240. That being said, I'm heavily leaning towards picking up an AK240 myself, and shipping it to Vinnie.
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I don't know if anyone is still interested, but there are reviews out there. From the ones I've read, the Rwak120b sounds on par for the most part or slightly better. A little more punch to the bass. But, I've seen two people that have had both sell their Rwak120b and keep the 240. That being said, I'm heavily leaning towards picking up an AK240 myself, and shipping it to Vinnie.

 

As an unmodded AK120 owner I think the problem is that even after the RWAK120b upgrade, you end up with a very expensive player that sounds about as good as the AK240, but lacks the much nicer interface, more powerful headphone out, balanced headphone out, ability to use headphones without an amp, streaming server, larger storage, etc etc.

 

Even if you already have an AK120 (so you only pay the upgrade price), perhaps it is better to wait for a new player since AK have proved they trash models pretty quickk anyway.

post #10 of 13
I bought mine because I feel I had a super deal for it, plus I had the ideal amp, the intruder. Still quite curious about an Rwak240 or Rwak120ii to be honest.

For those interested, the HO still works, I just don't have volume control. it plays loud, not too loud, it's actually at a volume I personally enjoy.

All that being said, I agree with you @likearake I'm not too sure it'd be worth it for a lot of people. I only paid $850 for mine as I had an amp already, to get one of the supposed better setups. For me, I am happy and it was well worth it.
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

I don't know if anyone is still interested, but there are reviews out there. From the ones I've read, the Rwak120b sounds on par for the most part or slightly better. A little more punch to the bass. But, I've seen two people that have had both sell their Rwak120b and keep the 240. That being said, I'm heavily leaning towards picking up an AK240 myself, and shipping it to Vinnie.

I'm on the edge of...shipping to Vinnie...LOL

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by likearake View Post
 

 

As an unmodded AK120 owner I think the problem is that even after the RWAK120b upgrade, you end up with a very expensive player that sounds about as good as the AK240, but lacks the much nicer interface, more powerful headphone out, balanced headphone out, ability to use headphones without an amp, streaming server, larger storage, etc etc.

 

Even if you already have an AK120 (so you only pay the upgrade price), perhaps it is better to wait for a new player since AK have proved they trash models pretty quickk anyway.

+1

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by likearake View Post
 

 

As an unmodded AK120 owner I think the problem is that even after the RWAK120b upgrade, you end up with a very expensive player that sounds about as good as the AK240, but lacks the much nicer interface, more powerful headphone out, balanced headphone out, ability to use headphones without an amp, streaming server, larger storage, etc etc.

 

Even if you already have an AK120 (so you only pay the upgrade price), perhaps it is better to wait for a new player since AK have proved they trash models pretty quickk anyway.

I think the difference between the old AKs (100/100mk2/120) are...

1. Output impedance 120/3ohms; 120ii/1ohm/balanced...this gives 120ii a flatter frequency response for most IEMs

2. Output voltage  120/1.5v; 120ii/2.3v ...120ii has wider swing of voltage that gives better dynamic range

 

Streaming server, to some might be useful but not all.  And now with new generation of 128GB microSD that dilutes the problem on storage limitation.

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