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post #1 of 33
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I listening to music for 4 years now. 4-5 hours a day almost every genre. Now I want to upgrade my IEM. I use klipsch for 2 years now and before that sennheiser and beats. my klipsch headphones break every 2 months and i get new one by warranty. The Guarantee said i dont give you a new one and they gave me my money back and said dont come here again. Now I want to upgrade to something better. If I don't buy anything for next six months I can get the sennheiser and shure se846. The sennheiser here have one year guarantee and shure doesnt have any. And it's very hard to get a in ear here because this country is **** and my choices are klipsch sennheiser and shure with no guarantee. I want to know if they worth the price and one year guarantee is enough and recommendation for shure vs. sennheiser.

 

Thanks for your posts.

post #2 of 33
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Just want to add I can't use any amp dac or ... . my source will be just my phone.

post #3 of 33

The Shure SE846 is incredible, well worth the $1000 even without a DAC + AMP.  But without warranty ... hell no. If something breaks, you just lost $1000. 

 

1-year warranty with the Sennheiser is also not good imo considering it's a $1000 IEM.

 

Maybe try out custom IEM such as JH-13 which will have better warranty in your country? 

post #4 of 33

can't order online? I agree ubs28. $1000 with no warranty = nope nope nope nope.

post #5 of 33

Given those warranty policies the time involved in shipping custom IEMs becomes preferable. Are import duties problematic over there?

post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

The Shure SE846 is incredible, well worth the $1000 even without a DAC + AMP.  But without warranty ... hell no. If something breaks, you just lost $1000. 

 

1-year warranty with the Sennheiser is also not good imo considering it's a $1000 IEM.

 

Maybe try out custom IEM such as JH-13 which will have better warranty in your country? 

 

There is no JH-13 here. Sennheiser will give it to me by 1000 dollars shure will charge additional 300 usd with no warranty. 

 

My country is Iran and its not good. Although I can get one when i travelling but is the warranty of this brands are international?

 

The other choice here is klipsch s4 and i'm really tired of those apart from they break every 2-3 months.

 

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Originally Posted by b0000 View Post
 

can't order online? I agree ubs28. $1000 with no warranty = nope nope nope nope.

 

No I cant order online. First they charge about 400$ Second what can I do if something breaks. Third: Is the warranty International?

 

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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

Given those warranty policies the time involved in shipping custom IEMs becomes preferable. Are import duties problematic over there?

 

For headphones the duties aren't problematic but nobody here buy so the customers are very few. And the importer are 2 or 3 companies. So they say what they wanna say.

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So your opinion is I dont get those IEMs and get another klipsch?

post #7 of 33
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Originally Posted by qwert23 View Post
 

For headphones the duties aren't problematic but nobody here buy so the customers are very few. And the importer are 2 or 3 companies. So they say what they wanna say.

 

Well, custom IEM fabricators really don't work through importers, except maybe for example UM from China - they have an office here in Manila. Fabrication is still done in China but the local office here is for transactions, so that you get to talk to UM when you hand over anything like the ear impressions or monitors for reshelling. However, aside from the sound, be aware that turn around times for a number of manufacturers can vary greatly, not simply because it's custom but because you'd really have no idea how many people are lined up. Best hang around in the threads dedicated to those manufacturers and before you pull trigger check how long the most recent orders took.

post #8 of 33

If you have $1000 to drop on an IEM and can still eat and pay bills it may be worth it. After $500 what you're getting is the possibility of custom fit for a better seal otherwise only somewhat better sound than a $500 IEMs. I listened to the Shure 846 compared to my 535LTDs through the CanOpener app/Iphone 5S. The 846 was deeper and a bit smoother sounding but not twice the price better. I've found that oftentimes people get into higher end IEMs for more neutrality and a more revealing sound and yeah... you can get that but often sacrifice musicality.

 

I used to be a huge IEM guy, that's where most of my money went when I was getting into audio. I got a pair of Monster Turbine Coppers and they blew away the cheap ass headphones I had at the time. Add to that portability and IEMs were full of win. I've also own Shure SE215, SE3***, Yamaha EPH-100, Triple Fi-10 and Sennheiser IE80s. The Shure 535LTD (MSRP $549) are clearly better than the SE215s but not 5x better by any stretch. The EPH-100s are a bit more natural sounding ( not neutral) and fun but again, not as technically proficient. Moral of the story is that, at a certain price point you get different flavors without getting anything huge in terms of performance. Besides fit, I imagine you'd have a hard time finding an IEM that would be technically better than the Westone 4R at any price. Also with custom IEMs you can't really audition your $1000 investment... kind of scary.

 

If you're Hellbent on IEMs for travel or live music applications I totally get it. That said, $1000 will buy you a Helluva lot of headphone that would blow away any IEM that I've ever heard at the expense of portability and often noise isolation. I don't often listen to my 535s at home; even though I do love them my Fidelio X1s or Grados just blow them away when it comes to enjoying my music.

 

To me, no, $1000 IEMs aren't worth it. After $400-$500 ( even 2-300 dollars) theres a steep drop in price to performance ratio. 

post #9 of 33

Just to add to what benhughes posted, there are a lot of custom IEMs that are well under $1,000 and perform well. $500 to $600 in a CIEM that gives you a custom fit that won't need to fuss around with eartips (where sometimes perfect seal, frequency response, and comfort don't all go together) is more sensible than $1,000 universals that don't have any warranty. Also the drivers+crossovers specifically designed to work with that a custom shell means that if you do manage to break them (or your ears shape changes in a couple of years) they can be reshelled and give you the same sound; if you have the universals (of any price) reshelled, sometimes the sound is different, and not always an improvement.

post #10 of 33
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Well I think about custom IEMs a lot. I like headphone with my logo on it and they are nice but the shipping money (around 300 dollars) is scary and the reviews said shures are more musical. So custom IEMs won't be my choice. If i go with benthughes talks I'll go with se535 for the next 2 years. I want to know ProtegeManiac about spending 1000 on SE846 or 500 on SE535? Assume that there is no warranty.

 

I'll never listen to music in home just on street or when thinking on my projects in parks or public places where is crowd. And i hardly take my phone so i cant even imagine carry around an amp. the use will be 20% on walking 80% sitting in public places. And it's 4 hours a day in average for 2 years so i really want something good and durable because the warranty issues is nightmare on shures and sennheiser is only a year.

 

And I travel from cold places to really hot and humid places so i want something really durable.


Edited by qwert23 - 4/22/14 at 2:43am
post #11 of 33
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Originally Posted by qwert23 View Post
 

I want to know ProtegeManiac about spending 1000 on SE846 or 500 on SE535? Assume that there is no warranty.

 

Like I said, I'd rather spend $600 on a custom IEM than $1,000 on a universal IEM. Universal IEM shells can break too, and if they're damaged without warranty or past the 1yr period, what do you do? Reshelling them can alter the sound; even wearing the wrong tips if you can't get a hold of the tips you like would. If you get a custom IEM and it fits perfectly (note that some have had to ship them back for reshelling) then that's done. If you do need to reshell them, like if you stepped on them and cracked the shell (which, again, can happen to a universal IEM anyway), or if your ears still changed shape after two years or more, then you just ship them back to the manufacturer and you get the same sound back, which is great if you like them already. Also, while this may not apply to a lot of people, some eartips can be itchy due to their texture, so for people like that, the smooth acrylic of a custom IEM is a great thing. You can always ask around and see if anyone has had the Shure or tried it, then ask what CIEM sounds a lot like it. That or you can email Shure and ask them if they can honor international warranty, but personally, for $1,000 I'd rather get custom IEMs, and like I said you won't even need to get near that for the CIEM, shipping, and ear impressions.

 

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Originally Posted by qwert23 View Post
 

I'll never listen to music in home just on street or when thinking on my projects in parks or public places where is crowd. And i hardly take my phone so i cant even imagine carry around an amp. the use will be 20% on walking 80% sitting in public places. And it's 4 hours a day in average for 2 years so i really want something good and durable because the warranty issues is nightmare on shures and sennheiser is only a year.

 

And I travel from cold places to really hot and humid places so i want something really durable.

 

In any case, why among universals are you only looking at these two? In audio, when you go past a certain price point, diminishing returns really kicks in - at that point it's more a matter of specific needs as much as it is absolute performance. If what you need is something you can easily lug around and has great sound, not to mention easily driven by a smartphone or other general-purpose device without an external amp, there are many universal IEMs out there that work great, starting with the SE535 (they kind of hiss with some sources though). There's also the UE900 or the UM3X for example and they aren't going to break the bank.

 

In my case I was saving up either for customs or, as I was thinking at the time, the AKG K550 if I got impatient and a good deal on a used one came my way (headphone, but folds flat and has good isolation). Then I got lucky and found an Aurisonics ASG-1 selling for half the MSRP+shipping. It's a custom-like shell but the bore still uses a universal-type eartip. I tried them out, and discovered that the great thing about these is that the custom-like shell anchors to my outer earlobes, instead of having the pressure on the eartip itself, so they don't itch as much even with foam ear tips (I still prefer smooth plastic tips). They also came with an Otterbox as packaging, so while some find that bulky, I always have a messenger bag with me anyway, so I don't have issues lugging them around. I can keep these things in my ears for hours if I'm in a cold room (so my ears don't sweat and later itch), like when I'm working in the library or any office in our university, then step out into the tropical climate still wearing them, and no issues. I have a Sennheiser HD600 reference system at home and this comes close enough considering I'm using a smartphone for it. The only reason why I didn't add this to the list above is that the treble rolls off a little too early, but personally, all the pros outweighed it. The point is that you don't necessarily need to throw $1,000 at an IEM particularly if warranties are iffy; heck over here at least the Shures have two years, but the local distro had issues going back and forth between two companies when I  had to replace my SE210. You're in an even worse situation that that. Maybe if it was a good deal on a used amp I wouldn't look for any warranty, but that will sit in my home relatively safe (my cats are locked out of my bedroom and home office); you will have to lug these around. To me no warranty or iffy policies (like if the local distributor is known to absolute try to blame it on you to weasel out of it) are a huge problem for something you intend to use on the go. My graphics card doesn't leave the house but I make sure I get six months warranty, minimum, since I don't know if its cooling system might have issues with the case I'm using.

 

 

post #12 of 33

Be aware that I have the Red Shure 535Ltds which do differ from the standard Shure 535s. I have no time on the regular Shure 535s but understand that the highs are somewhat rolled off compared to the 535LTDs.

 

The 535s are a beautiful mid-centric IEM that I have found to be good for most genres, however, may be found to be somewhat bass shy. I don't necessarily think that they're bass shy but they really don't offer any more than what's on the recording. They are sensitive and can hiss a bit with high gain and don't work well when the source has a high output impedance. They are comfortable, provide good isolation and are fairly resolving while being enjoyable.

 

That being said, for your use, maybe check out the VSonic GR07BE or standard GR07. Dynamic drivers, IME, tend to have a more straight forward sound and these seem to remain fairly analytical while being enjoyable under $200. I personally have no experience with them but they seem to be a step up from my EPH-100 and I do thoroughly enjoy those despite having much more expensive IEMs. 

 

Maybe a good place to start would to be to purchase a well regarded set of IEMs then determine what you do and don't like about them. Maybe they'll be perfect and you have $800 in your pocket... WIN!!! Maybe you want more bass or a more analytical sound or more emphasis on vocal quality; from there you can be guided in the right direction and still save some dough and still have a respectable set of IEMs in your arsenal.

 

When it comes to customs I'm completely ignorant but have heard reports of people being disappointed with how dark, bright, siblant, scooped, mid-centric they are compared to their expectations. I am in your boat when it comes to music listening with IEMs. Primarily on the go, mostly from my phone with decent quality MP3 files. I'll change my IEM depending on my mood; generally my 535s when I'm out and about and my IE80s when I want to chill and enjoy my music without thinking too much about it ( IE80s are the most headphone like IEM I've found). 

 

Throw out some ideas of what music you like and what you want it to sound like and the people here will happily help you blow your money ;)

post #13 of 33
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I send email to shure and jhaudio for warranty issues and shipping and payment terms. i'll wait until they answer to my mail and inform you to make the best decision.



 



My taste of music I want IEM with a little dark sound. I listen to rock music (mostly black sabbath type) and violin and electric guitar (violin mostly) without vocalist and vocalists (like dido) which sing slowly and they sound great. the thing are less important are pop and rap. My source is iphone which i read reviews about sound output and they say its good source even without amp. 



 



About brands bethughes says i'm looking for famous brands which I can get here and I can at least do something about warranty if something goes wrong. I know the grado is good but there isn't any grado here or vsonic. Shure and sennheiser have stores but they only work with television and studios and they wont have any IEM or headphones. This are only brands I'll see here(apart from some jappeneese brands). There is some companies which import IEM's and Headphones but they get double the price of MSRP. so my choices are very limited. And if i want to buy online in here we don't have international banks here so we cant pay the price and if you go with persons they have credit card they charge about 1.3$ for every dollar. The reason I choice only this two brands because this is only two brands are nice and i can get my hand on them. I can get other ones but its very hard for example 100 $ graphic card here is about 250 $ on stores. And second reason they are famous so the risk level is coming down



 



I don't hear those brands (apart from HD598 which i own for 330$ after 2 years searching for HD550) and I cant hear them before purchase so my source is just you guys. And I cant sell them here or change them so i'm looking for something good to spend at least 2 years with them.


Edited by qwert23 - 4/22/14 at 11:51am
post #14 of 33

Why is nobody talking about the AKG K3003i? I have 2 pairs and they beat my IE800 and Final Audio PF-VIII (haven't tried the SE846 but I wasn't impressed with the SE535).

post #15 of 33
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Why is nobody talking about the AKG K3003i? I have 2 pairs and they beat my IE800 and Final Audio PF-VIII (haven't tried the SE846 but I wasn't impressed with the SE535).

there is akg here I dont know if they have this model but if they have akgs here come with one year warranty. Are they better than shure or sennheisers for uses I said in my last post? And why the reviews arn't so bright as 846/ie800 s?

 

I just see the price they're really above my budget. 1500$!


Edited by qwert23 - 4/22/14 at 1:21pm
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