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D18 as I can buy it at the same price as the D200 and I mat not need the USB input. Thx Tom
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gotcha

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If you can buy a new D18 at $500 or less it would be worth serious consideration. I have the D18 and if you pair it with a good usb connection and a top quality amp the results are very hard to beat. You don't get the dsd capability but there is so little software for dsd that it is not an issue for me. I have terabytes of redbook material so I am not switching to dsd any time soon. I have auditioned many dacs thinking of replacing my D18 but I find that I have to go very far up in price (over $2000) to get an obvious improvement.

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Thanks Chodi ! Which headphone are you using it with primarily ? D18 has no USB input, so I guess you use an optical/USB converter ?

 

My TEAC PD-501 CD player which is very very good has an integrated native DSD DAC so I do not absolutely need this "feature" and anyway DSD tracks are a. not widely available and b. expensive (!).

My primary usage would be listening to classical music with high res PCM tracks in 24 bits (which in my eyes already bring a sufficient level of WOW factor). I of course also listen to other stuff, yet I think classical orchestral music is the benchmark for me to choose the right equipment.

 

Anyone having both DACs (D18 and D200)  and (kindly) willing to comment (and why not extend comparison to the DA8 though I find the cost a little high for my usage) ?

 

A Sound Signature / Quality comparison would be nice :p. I have a "dark" HD650 and a "cheapo" HD540 II to pair with (balanced preferably). 

If I chose the worng headphones, please let me know, I am eager to learn 

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How about two NuForce HA-200 to amp the D200 .... ? Seems these NuForce use same (?) technology as the CMA800R.... not the same price point of course. 
I saw D18 is now discounted at less than $500 and I was wondering whether I should jump to D18 + two NuForce HA-200, hesitant though as the HD650 may sound too "punchy" as posters in another thread said , yet for my HD540 II it might be perfect ..... Difficult ! confused.gif  
Have you seen comparisons between D200 and D18 on erji.net ?

I haven't try out D18 in person, I am a firm believer in latest is more competitive theory in digital product, so I am probably the wrong person to ask regarding this subject. On the other hand, I have discussed with Yulong briefly, he recommended me to go for D200, From business point of view, he should have recommend me to buy D18, at that moment of time, D18 is slow moving items while D200 sells like a hot cake, so selling D18 will be more "profitable" , but he still recommend D200 to me.

One last note in this subject, don't just look at the hard quality comparison, understand your music preference and pick the gear that fit with your preference. Better DAC is not necessarily a better choice for you. Since you are in China, try to audition the D200 and make up your own opinion, and come back to share with us please, you are in a much better situation when compare to others who can't audition the Yulong products before they sign up the deal

My experience with NuForce is limited, I tried their HDP and was not impressed, I sold that within a month and never regretted that. I didn't like the idea of two volume pot in balanced headphone set up, and all my headphones are terminated with 4pin balanced connector instead of 2x3pin XLR, the idea of need an adapter is not such a good idea either. For the same money in China, I'll go for products like Little Dot Mk6+/M8se, Goldenwave Amber, and Auralic Bugatti SE instead.
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I haven't try out D18 in person, I am a firm believer in latest is more competitive theory in digital product, so I am probably the wrong person to ask regarding this subject. On the other hand, I have discussed with Yulong briefly, he recommended me to go for D200, From business point of view, he should have recommend me to buy D18, at that moment of time, D18 is slow moving items while D200 sells like a hot cake, so selling D18 will be more "profitable" , but he still recommend D200 to me.

One last note in this subject, don't just look at the hard quality comparison, understand your music preference and pick the gear that fit with your preference. Better DAC is not necessarily a better choice for you. Since you are in China, try to audition the D200 and make up your own opinion, and come back to share with us please, you are in a much better situation when compare to others who can't audition the Yulong products before they sign up the deal

My experience with NuForce is limited, I tried their HDP and was not impressed, I sold that within a month and never regretted that. I didn't like the idea of two volume pot in balanced headphone set up, and all my headphones are terminated with 4pin balanced connector instead of 2x3pin XLR, the idea of need an adapter is not such a good idea either. For the same money in China, I'll go for products like Little Dot Mk6+/M8se, Goldenwave Amber, and Auralic Bugatti SE instead.

Thanks Andy, I will do that trial but I am stuck with work for a couple more weeks and weekends.  

And I suppose (much) more experienced fellow head-fiers than me are out there who have both DACs at home and could chat about some DA8/D18/D200 comparisons in the meantime. 

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D18 is still a very compelling DAC, assuming two things: A) you like a somewhat warmer sound, a bit smooth on top with very extended low freq impact, and B) you have a good source to feed it. It's resolving enough to really be picky about the incoming signal, so a basic CD player won't bring out the best. 

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Thanks:), clear. personnally I would not have thought of the TEAC PD-501 as a basic CD player.
http://www.amazon.com/TEAC-PD-501HR-DSD-Player-Black/dp/B00BT7WJPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402408192&sr=8-1&keywords=Teac+pd+501
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Thanks Chodi ! Which headphone are you using it with primarily ? D18 has no USB input, so I guess you use an optical/USB converter ?

 

 

I use the D18 with both my HD800 and my T1's. I have also owned other headphones including the HE500's. I do use the D18 with a usb converter. I listen to mostly classical music and the D18 works very well for me. I upgraded my amp to a Auralic Taurus and the D18 delivers. In my opinion at $500 it would be a resounding bargain.

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Thanks:), clear. personnally I would not have thought of the TEAC PD-501 as a basic CD player.
http://www.amazon.com/TEAC-PD-501HR-DSD-Player-Black/dp/B00BT7WJPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402408192&sr=8-1&keywords=Teac+pd+501

 

 

Sorry, I wasn't implying anything about your source (I didn't realize that's what you had). I was more referring to people who might grab a D18 because of the price drop, and use it with their basic Blu-Ray player or something. I've tried that and didn't enjoy the results. Your Teac should be good enough to do a nice job. 

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Show me where I can buy a D18 for $500 and I'm in .  This sounds like the perfect DAC for me.  Warm Analog sound.  Forgiving of bad source material..... 

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Sorry, I wasn't implying anything about your source (I didn't realize that's what you had). I was more referring to people who might grab a D18 because of the price drop, and use it with their basic Blu-Ray player or something. I've tried that and didn't enjoy the results. Your Teac should be good enough to do a nice job. 
No worries! and thanks again for your valued comments - Tom
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I will be very interested in how you find the D200 compares to the D18 (which I still own). You must be the worlds leading collector of Yulong equipment. The pressure is on you. If you report the D200 to be superior I will be jumping in. Frankly, I have my doubts since I have compared the D18 to several more expensive dacs and can't find a compelling reason to switch until I get to uncomfortable price points. Yes, I have heard the Vega and it is clearly superior but the price in my market is the cost of a small car.

+1

just trying to revive a little this thread rolleyes.gif
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I haven't try out D18 in person, I am a firm believer in latest is more competitive theory in digital product, so I am probably the wrong person to ask regarding this subject. On the other hand, I have discussed with Yulong briefly, he recommended me to go for D200, From business point of view, he should have recommend me to buy D18, at that moment of time, D18 is slow moving items while D200 sells like a hot cake, so selling D18 will be more "profitable" , but he still recommend D200 to me.

One last note in this subject, don't just look at the hard quality comparison, understand your music preference and pick the gear that fit with your preference. Better DAC is not necessarily a better choice for you. Since you are in China, try to audition the D200 and make up your own opinion, and come back to share with us please, you are in a much better situation when compare to others who can't audition the Yulong products before they sign up the deal

My experience with NuForce is limited, I tried their HDP and was not impressed, I sold that within a month and never regretted that. I didn't like the idea of two volume pot in balanced headphone set up, and all my headphones are terminated with 4pin balanced connector instead of 2x3pin XLR, the idea of need an adapter is not such a good idea either. For the same money in China, I'll go for products like Little Dot Mk6+/M8se, Goldenwave Amber, and Auralic Bugatti SE instead.


The Auralic Bugatti SE is very intriguing, how does it compare to the Taurus? i could not find any information as this is (very surprisingly so) a "China only" model....
it's three times cheaper than the Taurus, why that?
Andy any idea?
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The Auralic Bugatti SE is very intriguing, how does it compare to the Taurus? i could not find any information as this is (very surprisingly so) a "China only" model....
it's three times cheaper than the Taurus, why that?
Andy any idea?

As mentioned previously, I prefer to stick with Yulong D200 in this thread.
Edited by Andykong - 6/14/14 at 12:02pm
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