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so the D200 is going to be a lot less pleasurable for HD800 than the DA8, huh?

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so the D200 is going to be a lot less pleasurable for HD800 than the DA8, huh?

Well, HD800 were consider one of the most difficult headphone to pair with, wouldn't it be asking too much much to expect the D200 to be the perfect mate of that?

I have heard HD800 with D200 and DA8 briefly, single ended only so hardly the full potential of the Yulongs, I think the D200 is very respectable by all account.

Yes, DA8+HD800 is a more "forgiving" pair.
No, I can't find a better all-in-one at the D200 price point for HD800.
No, I won't buy DA8 or D200 if HD800 is the only headphone that I want to use.

Maybe ... a standalone amp at similar price will do a better job, but you better assume there is a high quality DAC/CD player in the system already as HD800 certainly will magnify the deficiency in your system if you are using a below-par source to feed the system.
Edited by Andykong - 5/25/14 at 11:37pm
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I'm doing a wee review but I have to say, with my T1's out of the xlr, this is an absolutely stunning DAC for the money. Fidelity, tonality, finesse and that haunting musicality thats manages to somehow not steer away from the truth of the recording.  All in a tiny little box that is relatively cheap as chips. He's got some secret sauce that Mr Yulong & I F#*n love it.

We are all looking forward to your review, last I checked, Grant Fidelity is still offering introductory discount on the D200, please put up your review before they expired that, I am sure reader will jump on board quickly when more review/support/sharing is available online.
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You would not be the fist person to be turned off by the AKG sound..... K712 is better than the old K701/Q701 sound but still not that great for a lot of people (myself included).

The D200 so far is pretty damn impressive. Definitely on the same track as the DA8 but not as refined in some aspects. It's like buying a base model Porsche 911 instead of the fire breathing top models - your base model might not do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, but it's plenty fast and fun to drive anyway. 

Dang, I should have saved that analogy for my eventual review. 

Well, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, that must be the 911 GT3 biggrin.gif

I think we can reserve the GT3 for your D8 review, the Carrera 4 (4.3s/175mph) vs Carrera 4S (3.9s/184mph) probably is a closer deal in this comparison, as you have put it, it is a lot of fun and excitement already.
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Will do! I've not had a lot more time to spend with it this week, so initial impressions are slow going. It's definitely a step up over the D100 mkII though. More "analog" sounding, without losing detail or resolution.

So far I've only had a chance to run the headphone output with my Alpha Dogs. Seems very solid so far. 

I didn't get to play with filters at all. 

Oop, another D200 + Alpha Dog user, fantastic. Single ended or Balanced? I am really looking forward to your sharing on this combo as I used them and loved them a lot, the mid-range of this combo is a killer, the best I have owned so far.
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Honestly I haven't had a ton of time with mine yet. What little time I've had was spent using my YBA Design WM202 CD player - I listen to the system with the YBA as transport feeding the D200, then take the DAC out of the equation and listen to the YBA analog outs. Amp used is the AURALiC Taurus mkII. I figure a nice $1100 CD player should be a good test for a $699 DAC. So far the D200 is slightly better, which is really impressive considering the YBA is a very good sounding device. 

Now if I were to upgrade my system with a headphone amp, it will either be the AURALIC Taurus mkII or Schiit Ragnarok, the Taurus has small price advantage to me as I can buy from China direct. I would love to find out more about the D200 + Taurus II from you, so please indicate where I can line up for the front seats of your reviews ...... I am looking forwards to that. gs1000.gif
Edited by Andykong - 5/26/14 at 12:12am
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Looking forward to your HD650 or D7k / D200 comments smily_headphones1.gif

I didn't own HD650, the pair I heard belongs to Yulong, so I probably won't write anything about that Combo. I will cover the D7k later, need more time with the headphone as I collected the D7K only days before. Besides, I have not heard D7K on other/better system, so I am not sure whether D200 is up to the job already, will try to accommodate before I start writing, so please be patient for that.
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Grant Fidelity is still offering introductory discount on the D200

 

That and a big greasy jar of greed made me pull the trigger just a minute ago. I'm aboard! :D

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Now if I were to upgrade my system with a headphone amp, it will either be the AURALIC Taurus mkII or Schiit Ragnarok, the Taurus has small price advantage to me as I can buy from China direct. I would love to find out more about the D200 + Taurus II from you, so please indicate where I can line up for the front seats of your reviews ...... I am looking forwards to that. gs1000.gif

 

I was just using this combo last night with my (balanced) Alpha Dogs. I concluded the D200 is refined enough to pair with the highly revealing Taurus mkII. A lot of similarly priced DACs I've tried could not make that claim. Would it still work as well with a more resolving headphone like HD800? Maybe, maybe not. I'll try it later. But with Alpha Dogs it was very enjoyable. 

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I was just using this combo last night with my (balanced) Alpha Dogs. I concluded the D200 is refined enough to pair with the highly revealing Taurus mkII. A lot of similarly priced DACs I've tried could not make that claim. Would it still work as well with a more resolving headphone like HD800? Maybe, maybe not. I'll try it later. But with Alpha Dogs it was very enjoyable. 


look forward to that. I think its performance on the HD800 is the make or break here for me.

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look forward to that. I think its performance on the HD800 is the make or break here for me.

If you are particular annoyed by harshness in high frequency, then picking HD800 as your target might not be a good idea because HD800 will sound overly-bright with a lot of system. Spend some time to listen to HD800 demo at shops at around $2000 budget (source + amp) and you'll see my point.

One of the good reference point is to try out the HD800 with HDV8000 first, Senn develop that product for a reason: to show the world that you don't need to spend an arm and a leg to make HD800 sing. There are system that can outperform the HDV8000 but frequently will cost more, or a lot more in many cases.

If you are looking at flagship models primarily, David's Flagship Batter flag is a good starting point to find something that might fit your taste/bill:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HD800
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I was just using this combo last night with my (balanced) Alpha Dogs. I concluded the D200 is refined enough to pair with the highly revealing Taurus mkII. A lot of similarly priced DACs I've tried could not make that claim. Would it still work as well with a more resolving headphone like HD800? Maybe, maybe not. I'll try it later. But with Alpha Dogs it was very enjoyable. 

Great to hear that, so that can be my missing link indeed.

So between D200 and Alpha Dog, is there other alternative choice that you'll recommend? Budget wise Taurus mkII is basically my ceiling already.
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Great to hear that, so that can be my missing link indeed.

So between D200 and Alpha Dog, is there other alternative choice that you'll recommend? Budget wise Taurus mkII is basically my ceiling already.

 

 

Not really. It depends on what you want though. You could go Magni/Modi and a Focal Spirit Pro, and that would sounds pretty darn good for less than the price of just the D200. But that's not really a fair comparison either. For a DAC in the $700 range, you could save a bit and go for the Resonessence Labs Concero - the base model (not the HD) is $599 so slightly cheaper than D200, and sounds excellent. Then instead of Alpha Dogs maybe go for the Mad Dog Pro which saves another $150 and is supposedly a crowd pleaser (I haven't heard it myself). Still, at the end of the day you saved a few hundred dollars and compromised on some things too. So not that big of a difference. 

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Not really. It depends on what you want though. You could go Magni/Modi and a Focal Spirit Pro, and that would sounds pretty darn good for less than the price of just the D200. But that's not really a fair comparison either. For a DAC in the $700 range, you could save a bit and go for the Resonessence Labs Concero - the base model (not the HD) is $599 so slightly cheaper than D200, and sounds excellent. Then instead of Alpha Dogs maybe go for the Mad Dog Pro which saves another $150 and is supposedly a crowd pleaser (I haven't heard it myself). Still, at the end of the day you saved a few hundred dollars and compromised on some things too. So not that big of a difference. 

Sorry for the misleading presentation, what I mean is, I have the D200 and Alpha Dog already, if I want to improve the setup, adding a headphone amp. seems logical as I do feel more power is preferred when dealing with Alpha Dog, so BETWEEN D200 and Alpha Dog (in terms of signal path), which amplifier should I be considering? The Taurus mkII is one option, are there any better options I should consider? My other headphone are D7000, HD700, T5p and ESP950. I need to use XLR primarily as I reserved the RCA of D200 to Koss E90 already.
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project86, some comments from your side ad to how the d200 compares to the da8 at otherwise identical set-up. there must be some differences between the ES9016 and ES9018 chips..(?)
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project86, some comments from your side ad to how the d200 compares to the da8 at otherwise identical set-up. there must be some differences between the ES9016 and ES9018 chips..(?)

If you live in China, you actually have one more option: Goldenwave GD01, another all-in-one at the same price point as D200, check this out and you won't be disappointed, the good thing about GD01 is that it come with a 4pin connector in front plate, the shortcoming of GD01 is lack of pre-amp out, so you can't use it with active speakers. Based on a very detail and trusted review I read, The single end output GD01 is slightly behind D200, but the balanced headphone is superior to D200.

Do you intend to use the DA8 or D200 to replace your TEAC PD501, and then use the AI-501 as power amp? or you will sell the TEAC combo and go for the DA8 or D200 as all-in-one unit? If you are replacing the TEAC combo as a whole, maybe you can consider a D200+A28 suit or Goldwave GD01 + Amber combo. Amber is a very capable full balanced headphone amp from Goldenwave, it will handle your D2000 and HD650 easily, or even your future upgrade plan to HE560.
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If you live in China, you actually have one more option: Goldenwave GD01, another all-in-one at the same price point as D200, check this out and you won't be disappointed, the good thing about GD01 is that it come with a 4pin connector in front plate, the shortcoming of GD01 is lack of pre-amp out, so you can't use it with active speakers. Based on a very detail and trusted review I read, The single end output GD01 is slightly behind D200, but the balanced headphone is superior to D200.

Do you intend to use the DA8 or D200 to replace your TEAC PD501, and then use the AI-501 as power amp? or you will sell the TEAC combo and go for the DA8 or D200 as all-in-one unit? If you are replacing the TEAC combo as a whole, maybe you can consider a D200+A28 suit or Goldwave GD01 + Amber combo. Amber is a very capable full balanced headphone amp from Goldenwave, it will handle your D2000 and HD650 easily, or even your future upgrade plan to HE560.

Thanks I looked at the Goldenwave... And wow very tempting, very nicely engineered! i want to keep the TEAC PD501as the source it's a wonderful CD player, where I am unhappy is the headphone amp of the AI-501 but also the rather dry in-built DAC. as I bought an Ibasso DX90 last month in Hong Kong I connected this wonderful DAP through RCA cables to my AI501 and wow the dual ES9018 chips beat the TEAC AI-501 DAC hands down.....so basically either I use the ibasso as a temporary DAC and buy a nice headphone amp first such as the A28 or I buy a DA8 Or D200 (it's cheaper...but are they really similar?rolleyes.gif) or the AK4390 fuelled Goldenwave AND a headphone amp....with this respect I saw a Violectric V200 clone at$300 on taobao, from accurate audio model a200...and as far as google translate goes theV200 and its clone are pretty close in performance.....
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