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post #106 of 267

So, Andykong, customNuts and project86.. calling on you guys. What's the latest impressions?

post #107 of 267

Honestly I haven't had a ton of time with mine yet. What little time I've had was spent using my YBA Design WM202 CD player - I listen to the system with the YBA as transport feeding the D200, then take the DAC out of the equation and listen to the YBA analog outs. Amp used is the AURALiC Taurus mkII. I figure a nice $1100 CD player should be a good test for a $699 DAC. So far the D200 is slightly better, which is really impressive considering the YBA is a very good sounding device. 

post #108 of 267
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Hey Guys, looks like it is time to jump start the discussion again. biggrin.gif

I am kind of inactive because I think the discussion didn't go very well in the past when I am the only D200 owner on board, I don't think I have the weight to carry the discussion on the right track, now that we have several owners on board, I am sure we can learn from each other, I hope project86 and customNuts will share their impression in near future, that's important if want to get the "fire" burning.

Right now, Alpha Dog is my major can with D200, mainly because it is a closed back so my wife won't stared at me when I am listening to my cans but she wants to go to bed (which is my typical scenario). I can tell you that with all the cans I got, Alpha Dog is the only one that I can use the D200 at its full strength and yet still wanted more power occasionally, I'll come back to this in more detail later on.

Someone asked about Denon D5000 and D7000, it just so happened that I have acquired a mint condition D7000 last week, so I'll cover that later as well.I can tell you briefly that D200 works well with D7000 overall, my D7000 comes with original cable and 6.3mm plug and 'll mod it to balanced connector eventually, and stay tune for that.

Last but not least, I got green light from Yulong to write on the factory visit and release some of the photo I took at his office, but I assume that is a lower priority relatively, so please be patient if you are looking forwards to that part.

So given the long agenda, whats next? I have read a short DA8 vs D200 explanation from Yulong somewhere in a China Head-Fi forum, I'll try to dig that out and translate it into English tomorrow, lets hope I can locate that discussion promptly, the indexing/searching function of the Chinese forum is not as user-friendly as I would like it to be, so please keep your finger closed .... for a day at least please.
post #109 of 267
Nice. The d7 would definitely be my choice if I wanted a closed can again.
post #110 of 267

It seems I made my choice for Fostex TH600. :)

 

I'd like to get Asgard 2 for Lars Audio DAC MK2 but I prefer all-in-one solutions. Sound quality wise, I'm not sure what is better. 

 

project86, is Yulong D200 a level up from Lars Audio DAC1 MK2?

post #111 of 267
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project86, is Yulong D200 a level up from Lars Audio DAC1 MK2?

 

I think so. Preliminary impressions point to YES. 

post #112 of 267

I'm doing a wee review but I have to say, with my T1's out of the xlr, this is an absolutely stunning DAC for the money. Fidelity, tonality, finesse and that haunting musicality thats manages to somehow not steer away from the truth of the recording.  All in a tiny little box that is relatively cheap as chips. He's got some secret sauce that Mr Yulong & I F#*n love it.

post #113 of 267
Looking forward to your HD650 or D7k / D200 comments smily_headphones1.gif
post #114 of 267
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Yulong has emphasized in more then one occasions that the headphone output of DA8 and D200 are more different in style then quality. This is how he respond to user comment on this subject after an all-in-one shoot out in Bejing recently:

http://erji.net/read.php?tid=1646530&fpage=0&toread=&page=3
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The headphone output of D200 and DA8 has noticeable different in terms of both technical specification and sound signature.

I have heard users comment the headphone output of DA8 as soft and mellow, to certain extend, I won’t disagree with that, I have fine tune the DA8 to that style in purpose: relax, laidback, and natural, and you can listen for hours without fatique. You can pair with basically any headphone to a satisfactory level but not over-excited. Think of HK650, it is dark but people just love it like that, and DAC202 (Weiss) is soft and easy, but you won’t feel lacking in terms of sound quality.

On the other hand, D200 headphone out is plain and direct, it excels in transparency, and sound more powerful overall. We try to maintain a clear differentiation from DA8 through a different style, a style that will better fit into this market segment.

Last but not least, since DAC and the amplification circuits are sharing their power supply, you cannot expect the all-in-one units can compete with a high quality standalone headphone amplifier in all regards. For this reason, we shouldn’t be over-aggressive when we pursuit for hard quality , especially in the expenses of overall listening pleasure, the primary objective is to sounds pleasant with whatever headphones you throw to these all-in-ones.

I agree with what Yulong has written, the different is more in style then different quality level. I have a feeling that Yulong had adopted different "reference" when he fine tune the DA8 and D200. For DA8, I guess his reference set was Weiss DCA202, and for D200, his new reference DAC Prism Sound ADA8-xr probably has inspired him to certain extend, and its amazing that he can capture the essences of these top tiers DAC into his relatively low-cost product.

I have compared the D200 and DA8 at Yulong’s demo system before I decided to go for the D200 (with HD650 and my Alpha Dog and a balanced modded T1), I could have bought the DA8, but I go for the D200 instead. There is still small quality different between the two units, but I actually prefer the more lively and dynamic presentation of D200 over DA8 when used as an all-in-one unit. The higher C/P is favorable, and by the time I hear Beyer T1 sings with energy and liveliness through D200 (DAC direct mode), I know that’s the one I’ll go for in this round.

On the other hand, if you have a decent headphone amp. already and will use these units as DAC primarily, then I’ll definitely recommend the DA8 instead. When connect to Yulong’s A8 reference amp, the DA8 beats the D200 hands down. I can hear more details, better instrument harmonic and decay, and improved soundstage, all these helps to puts you in the scene while you are listening.

So my advise is simple, if you are using this as an all-in-one unit, your listening preference probably will take the lead in the decision. If you are using it as a DAC only, or plan to upgrade to a headphone amp. in near future, go for the DA8 when you can afford it. Of course this is IMHO only, but I certainly hope potential buyers will have a better idea in the DA8 vs D200 dilemma.
Edited by Andykong - 5/25/14 at 6:58am
post #115 of 267
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Originally Posted by Andykong View Post

Yulong has emphasized in more then one occasions that the headphone output of DA8 and D200 are more different in style then quality. This is how he respond to user comment on this subject after an all-in-one shoot out in Bejing recently:

http://erji.net/read.php?tid=1646530&fpage=0&toread=&page=3
I agree with what Yulong has written, the different is more in style then different quality level. I have a feeling that Yulong had adopted different "reference" when he fine tune the DA8 and D200. For DA8, I guess his reference set was Weiss DCA202, and for D200, his new reference DAC Prism Sound ADA8-xr probably has inspired him to certain extend, and its amazing that he can capture the essences of these top tiers DAC into his relatively low-cost product.

I have compared the D200 and DA8 at Yulong’s demo system before I decided to go for the D200 (with HD650 and my Alpha Dog and a balanced modded T1), I could have bought the DA8, but I go for the D200 instead. There is still small quality different between the two units, but I actually prefer the more lively and dynamic presentation of D200 over DA8 when used as an all-in-one unit. The higher C/P is favorable, and by the time I hear Beyer T1 sings with energy and liveliness through D200 (DAC direct mode), I know that’s the one I’ll go for in this round.

On the other hand, if you have a decent headphone amp. already and will use these units as DAC primarily, then I’ll definitely recommend the DA8 instead. When connect to Yulong’s A8 reference amp, the DA8 beats the D200 hands down. I can hear more details, better instrument harmonic and decay, and improved soundstage, all these helps to puts you in the scene while you are listening.

So my advise is simple, if you are using this as an all-in-one unit, your listening preference probably will take the lead in the decision. If you are using it as a DAC only, or plan to upgrade to a headphone amp. in near future, go for the DA8 when you can afford it. Of course this is IMHO only, but I certainly hope potential buyers will have a better idea in the DA8 vs D200 dilemma.

Thanks very helpful!
post #116 of 267
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On the other hand, D200 headphone out is plain and direct, it excels in transparency...

 

Thanks for the info! I feel a bit disappointed because I prefer smoother presentation. Just can't tolerate neutral sound with harsh treble.


Edited by GigArt - 6/5/14 at 3:51am
post #117 of 267
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Thanks for the info! I feel a bit disappointed because I prefer smoother presentation. Just can't tolerate neutral sound with harsh treble (ODAC\O2 is an example).

Well, how about neutral sound without harsh treble?
post #118 of 267

Andykong, could you please check out the difference between Sharp and Slow filters when using single-ended HP-out? Slow filter is a hope. :)

post #119 of 267

I'm reading more yummy things here. Yeah! Slight deviation from the heat, are there any new resellers in the EU that someone knows of?

post #120 of 267
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Andykong, could you please check out the difference between Sharp and Slow filters when using single-ended HP-out? Slow filter is a hope. smily_headphones1.gif

The filters are audible, but not particularly effective, you can hear the different alright when you ABA the filter, but don't expect the filter to change or remedial your listening experience, they really are marginal changes only.

But how come you are so sure that you need to roll off the treble with D200? I have been using D200 with HD700 and Alpha Dog for for quite a while already, never have problem on that issue, you have a bright can that you can't depart with? TH600 is hardly a bright can to me.
Edited by Andykong - 5/25/14 at 10:21am
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