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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post
 

Excellent, this packaging model works very nicely!

 

Welcome and Thanks for the opportunity to trial some nice looking gear!

:beerchug:


Hi TrollDragon,

 

Got your email. Will let everyone know next week.

post #32 of 56

My review is up; http://www.head-fi.org/products/rock-jaw-arcana-dual-driver-iem/reviews/10899

Obviously a lot of the observations are relative to price.

Any questions or constructive feedback welcome.

post #33 of 56
Nice review, you kept it simple while touching on all the main points. Just out of curiosity what genres were you listening to?

I personally don't mind the lack of replaceable cables as I would rather have more money put into the driver design than selling features like that. The lack of quality tips is a non issue for me but I hope it doesn't hurt Rock jaw in regards to sales and online reviews at store sites like Amazon.
post #34 of 56
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Nice review, you kept it simple while touching on all the main points. Just out of curiosity what genres were you listening to?



I personally don't mind the lack of replaceable cables as I would rather have more money put into the driver design than selling features like that. The lack of quality tips is a non issue for me but I hope it doesn't hurt Rock jaw in regards to sales and online reviews at store sites like Amazon.

 



We had already changed the tips on the latest production run, so all future sales of ARCANA and HYDRA and KONTROL have the new tips, still silicone but much better fit.

We love feedback like that. Can only make you better smily_headphones1.gif
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

Nice review, you kept it simple while touching on all the main points. Just out of curiosity what genres were you listening to?



I personally don't mind the lack of replaceable cables as I would rather have more money put into the driver design than selling features like that. The lack of quality tips is a non issue for me but I hope it doesn't hurt Rock jaw in regards to sales and online reviews at store sites like Amazon.

 



We had already changed the tips on the latest production run, so all future sales of ARCANA and HYDRA and KONTROL have the new tips, still silicone but much better fit.

We love feedback like that. Can only make you better smily_headphones1.gif
post #36 of 56
Comply's FTW, everything should come with Comply Foam Tips. wink.gif
post #37 of 56
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Comply's FTW, everything should come with Comply Foam Tips. wink.gif


We have already changed the tips. BUT we are looking at what else we can include (tips wise), as long as it does not affect the price.

 

But any other suggestions, we are a company that listens (no pun intended) ;)

post #38 of 56

Comply tips due to their throw away design and tendency to change the sonic signature of an IEM are one type of tip I don't have as much issue with not being included in an IEM package. So long as the stem design of the IEM allows for one of the sizes of tips to fit correctly. I suggest you work with Comply to have them add the Rockjaw models to their compatibility list and be able to advise the customer which model fits which tip.

 

Glad to hear you have upgraded the tips. It is the one area where you can have negative feedback in reviews, especially on sites like Amazon. As much as I love Head-fi and it's members it is important to realize we represent a fringe element at times especially when it comes to concepts like tip rolling and modification. The average consumer may buy only 1 IEM with no thoughts to buy after market accessories. So if the tips don't fit they simply think the whole IEM is no good.

post #39 of 56
I had the same problem with the DUNU TaiChi's, the body was too big around and the stem was too short. I could not get a decent fit no matter what I tried, even with DIY tips... smily_headphones1.gif

If I pushed on them enough and got a good fit they sounded excellent, but then the bass port dug in and they were just a no go for me. The wife loves them though as her ears are not as deep.

It's all about the ease of fit, and keep those triple flange for the people with Shrek type ears. smily_headphones1.gif
post #40 of 56
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So would you guys say a set of silicones and a set of foams would be about the right combo?

post #41 of 56
If you do 3 sizes of silicone and a set of foam I think you cover most peoples needs. Double and triple flange tips are nice but really don't get used by most people and are really over kill in my opinion. There is a reason why they generally don't get put in a lot of IEM packages.

The IEM's that throw in everything but the kitchen sink are generally very expensive and the fit kit helps justify the cost. But even some of the more expensive IEM's only come with a basic fit kit.
post #42 of 56
I agree.

A small, medium and large Sony hybrid type tips and a set of foams would be perfect.
post #43 of 56
Hello Roch Jaw,

In all honesty, Rock Jaw & RHA can be a very, very, extremely close competitor of RHA Audio. Not trying to scare Rock Jaw off but if you have a look at RHA Audio product like up, and for the same price as Rock Jaw or similar, they offer more accessories. Silicone is among the main factor that affect the sound quality, too small causes leaks of bass too big, you can't fit into one's ear. Having 3 silicone only is fine (Comply Foams only have 3 size too), the point is to get the right size. The Jabra Vox for example, is a well built IEM, extremely durable, my brother told me he dropped it a few times already and it's still working without cosmetic damage sound decent too for the price but the eartips is making me struggle! The S size is too small and switching to L size, it does not make much difference as the difference in diameter between S and L size silicone from Jabra Vox is really not that much different.

As for case, IEMs are meant to be portable because of their small size making it extra durable compared to other line, it is adviced to have one. Rock Jaw can choose to use a simple case, and pack it like what Beyerdynamic did to their DT880 boxing. The box is the case. On the bright side, there are some people who dislike putting their IEM back into the pouch after using it, one good example would be my brother. It is important to have a case that any method of tangling can fit in unlike Apple Earpods case which requires certain technic to fit in. IMO, it's annoying to follow a special technic to fit a IEM into the case like Apple Earpods. It's compact, indeed, but I would rather use the time required for tangling in for listening.

No, we do not need detachable cable for IEMs! It only give struggles... What happen if one day, we have IEM hooked round our next while walking and then it fell off our chest because the cable wasn't attached correctly? No thanks D: on ear and over ear is different, if the cable fall off, you can still pick it up easily because it is plugged into your source in your pocket or bag. IEM is different story.

What Rock Jaw can consider doing is, start a new thread asking anyone here to measure their ideal eartips diameter so that Rock Jaw can make the right decision on which 3 size of eartips should be available. Having so much eartips come in stock like what RHA did may not be most ideal either because after all, IEM is a personal thing to keep hygiene so each person have only a pair of ears, they don't need that much size to choose from xD we already have difficulty choosing the right tshirt to buy in Polo store hehe

Hope it helps
Billson smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by BillsonChang007 - 4/26/14 at 3:48pm
post #44 of 56

Hi Billson

 

Counter view points to yours.

 

  1. Agree on the tips - important to have enough to get a good fit.  I personally think 3 x silicone and 1 or 2 foam would be good.  Also a triple flange if its within budget.  The good thing about triples is that they can easily be modified to doubles.
     
  2. Case - totally agree - even a semi-soft shell case can be useful.  Rock Jaw - have a look at the HiSound Audio case.  They're small, easily fit into a pocket, and durable enough to protect your IEMs.  As long as the cable is flexible enough to be easily wound - that's all you need.
     
  3. Detachable cables - don't agree with you Billson.  I have had a few IEMs with detachable cables - and never had the cable "fall out" when in use.  The great thing about detachable cables is that if your cable is damaged - the IEM doesn't become a throw away.  So for the budget line, a fixed cable is fine (to keep the cost down).  For more top of the range - a detachable would be a welcome step up, and is a feature many people would like.  In fact - if you're talking about upper mid-range for IEM's (around the $200 + mark) - I personally think having a detachable cable starts to become essential.  It's one of the few things I don't like about the DN-1000 cable.

 

My 2c.

post #45 of 56
I think Rockjaw is not in a position to drastically change their new IEM lineup. They made a conscious decision to not over accessorize their headphones so they could focus on quality over quantity. They mentioned a new set of tips because that is a change they already made and one they can do within budget. Adding cases and such would change thier whole packaging requirements etc. So aside from making notes for a possible deluxe model where they include a whole bunch of extras I think we are stepping way outside of the box on them. Introduction of a remove able cable being doubly outside of that box.
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