Originally Posted by headwhacker
Speaking of soundstage how big really is considered better? I reckon bigger/wider isn't always better, there has got to be limit. Listening to my Roxanne with DX90, the soundstage already feels like anything bigger will sound weird.
Originally Posted by robin1990
Agree with you no more, DX90 only sounds different for me than DX100 and AK120, I doesn't meant that DX90 sounds inferior to the other two, they just different.
In DX90 I feel I'm more in the environment, closer to stage.
another thing that I notice is.. cymbals and crash sounds not too natural for me, but it might be burn-in time too less?
(No), I played in a orchestra and school band before, the cymbal sounds to me a little bit close to a real one (only for those cymbal i already heard of), but just a bit digitalized sound.
i need to clarify more if it is not because of the source and recording.
Originally Posted by SilverEars
Hi Bluebear, I can understand where you are coming from as I've noticed that my desktop rig provides more sound stage than something with less amping power like my smartphone. DX100 definately has more power and actually has the desktop version of the DAC (not sure if this makes a difference). From my experience, I've noticed iems are more dependent on source than cans for sound stage affects. Not saying it's only the source that causes it.
I would be interested in comparison of sound stage of DX90 and X5 as X5 has more powerful amp and possibly that may have influence on sound stage.
For Evaluating the Sound Stage Width, Depth, Placement, and Separation, you might want to pick up a copy of the 1997-1998 IASCA Competition Disc. This is a CD produced specifically for Car Audio Competitions and is one of the very few that provides a "Stage Map" of the exact instrument and vocal positions for Each Track, along with some other very useful test tracks.
The reason for providing this Stage Map is because excellent Staging, Imaging, and Depth, are the among the most difficult to recreate properly in the car environment, due to your off-center listening position (driver's seat) in relation to the speaker placement(s). Digital Delay or "Time Alignment" and level adjustments are very important for car audio and many very powerful DSPs are available to make these fine adjustments for each individual speaker (subwoofer, midbass, midrange, and tweeter) along with very powerful independent L/R Graphic and Parametric EQ, Phase, and level/amplitude controls for up to 8 channels.
I've included the CD Cover & Liner Notes for the 1997-1998 IASCA Competition Disc below. The quality of the tracks are outstanding as well. I don't have the latest Competition Disc, but I believe it is very similar. Find it here:
1997-1998 IASCA Competition Disc
This disc should give everyone a Solid Baseline to Reference when comparing any of your audio equipment for Imaging & Staging. For those of you in Europe, you may want to seek out the "EMMA Sound Quality Competition Disc 2009-2011" here:
The Chesky Ultimate Demonstration Disc and the new Head-Fi/Chesky Ultimate Headphone Demo Disc that are available on HDtracks are excellent as well (don't forget the 20% Head-Fi discount!). However, AFAIK, neither of these have printed "Stage Maps" to refer to.
For Percussion and Cymbal Realism tests and evaluation, I like to use the fantastic Sheffield Drum & Track Record (disc), specifically the "Drum Improvisation" tracks by drummers Jim Keltner and Ron Tutt.
Lo-Fi YouTube links:
Another true Reference Drum Kit and Cymbal recording is found on the "Drum Boogie" track from the fantastic "Lars Erstrand & Arne Domnérus "Live is Life" disc. It's one of THE best jazz drum kit reference recordings ever made IMO.
Find it at: http://www.elusivedisc.com/Arne-Domnerus-Live-Is-Life-Ultra-HD-CD/productinfo/PRUHD914/
JB Project - BROMBO! (Brian Bromberg & Akira Jimbo, featuring Otmaro Ruiz)
One more that I highly recommend as a Drum & Cymbal Reference Recording is the 2013 Steph Johnson Trio "Nature Girl" album. It's my current avatar image. If you're a jazz musician, then I know you'll really like it and it is my new reference & demo disc. Listen to the first track from her album (note that other tracks on the album have better drum/cymbal work) via the YouTube video on her web site at:
Or check out my post here for more info...
There are a few more Drum Solo reference tracks lsited in the forum thread here (see my links in Post #10):
I've found it very difficult to discuss Stage Width/Depth/Imaging comparisons in threads like this one because there is no "Baseline" or True Reference for all of us to use. The 1997-1998 IASCA Competition Disc has been the best reference for me in that regard.
Edited by bbfoto - 5/12/14 at 6:26pm
If you have any other Drum & Cymbal Reference Tracks, I would love to know about them via PM or start another thread! ;)