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post #31 of 45

Here's a few simple facts:

 

At the same price, a PC is always better than a Mac. Period.

 

For audio, a PC is always better than a Mac, because for the same money you can customize the PC and get higher quality hardware. There's a lot more software for Windows than there is for OSX, period. OS X has a few niche (mostly recording/producing) software that SOME prefer, but their equivalent (and cheaper) exist for windows, and you'll have more choices as well.

 

To finish:

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Originally Posted by eugenius View Post
 

You can get fanless PC's. You can't get fanless mac's.

 

The end.

 

The end indeed.

post #32 of 45

The fanless situation might change this year, Apple will most likely release a fanless macbook air with the new ultra low power Haswell CPU.

 

HP already has a fanless Haswell ultrabook with a touchscreen. :)

post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

Here's a few simple facts:

 

At the same price, a PC is always better than a Mac. Period.

 

I don't think that is a fact at all...sounds to me like a simple opinion.

post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

I don't think that is a fact at all...sounds to me like a simple opinion.

It's generally proven true.

post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

I don't think that is a fact at all...sounds to me like a simple opinion.

 

Find me any Apple computer at any price and I will find you a PC that's both: cheaper, and has better specs/hardware, guaranteed.

post #36 of 45
I do own both where my pc at home is a custom build and have a mac for portable use. For the price the custom build is vastly superior and not even close and not too far off from what I spent on the mac
post #37 of 45

APPLE= A Pretty Penny Lightly Extorted :D

post #38 of 45

I've owned 2 MacBook Pro computers.  The hardware generally isn't any better, chipwise.  I don't know what DACS they use though.  I trust apple's design chops much more than Dell though...they are focused on ascetics and I'd hope that that focus extends to sound as well.

 

You can find some nice software for the mac - Play, Decibel Fidelia to name a few.  The only player I've found on windows that I can stand is Foobar2000.  ITunes sucks on both platforms IMHO.

 

At least the MBP is inside an aluminum body which could provide some magnetic shielding.  MBP though will always have CPU throttling issues - their heatsinks are tiny.

 

If you're talking desktops though, windows (or Linux) for the win all day and twice on Sunday.  The hardware flexibility is un-beatable.

post #39 of 45

Lower end Apple is ok for what it is, pretty consumer level stuff. Even the price is ok on their "loss" leaders (or as Apple margins go - just double the margins of the rest of the industry). :)

 

The "high end" Apple stuff is laughable and always was. With recent launches like the new Mac pro, they're firmly into the LOL.

post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Find me any Apple computer at any price and I will find you a PC that's both: cheaper, and has better specs/hardware, guaranteed.

 

ah the age old argument. I suppose your statement is true if what you value is the highest spec's for the lowest price. 

 

However, IMO the experience of using a personal computer, and the harmony / synergy you get between Apple's integrated hardware & software is far superior to the Windows experience. As hard as it may be for some to comprehend, for a lot of people it's not just about the raw numbers, its about how they enjoy their computing experience. It could even be psychological in that you enjoy using a Mac more because it is prettier, and the materials they use feel better to the touch. I get that may sound stupid to some, but it's completely legitimate to others. Its just about what you need / value in a computer. 

 

So in the end, forget people who say one is better than the other. It's complete nonsense. The best one is the one you enjoy using the most, and if you value the things that Apple offers at a premium price. It's the same as headphones. 

post #41 of 45
Thread Starter 
Ok I think this is not about audio anymore...
In that regard I'd love a Macbook Pro with Retina Display, but with Bootcamp (Windows 8 dual boot) I rely on too many software like DataStudio for me to use OSX exclusively.
post #42 of 45

The MAC/PC debate is pointless, the music is digital so the DAC chip and how its used is critical.  If you are seriously concerned about the audio chain you buy a USB or optical device or a dedicated soundcard.

 

This debate is pointless, neither is doing any harm to your music as this is an OPERATING SYSTEM that drives a piece of SOFTWARE that runs data from a STORAGE DEVICE.  I know this is a little confrontational, but why are people still debating this. 

post #43 of 45
Thread Starter 

Tablix I didn't mean if OSX "sounded better" than Windows, but I see everybody with Macbooks, and then I see programs like Audirvana, Decibel, PureMusic that are Mac exclusive, that it made me think maybe Macs have more and better programs to enjoy audiophile level music than on Windows. I've already been corrected but now people are doing the old debate of PC vs Mac

post #44 of 45

The only advantage I see for Mac's is that you don't need drivers for higher rez music files on your USB dac, but most dac manufacturers supply a windows driver that does the same thing so it ends up being a mute point. Or you can do like me and dual boot Linux and get a no diver needed OS for your usb dac and have the best of both worlds.

post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by thievesarmy View Post
 

 

ah the age old argument. I suppose your statement is true if what you value is the highest spec's for the lowest price. 

 

However, IMO the experience of using a personal computer, and the harmony / synergy you get between Apple's integrated hardware & software is far superior to the Windows experience. As hard as it may be for some to comprehend, for a lot of people it's not just about the raw numbers, its about how they enjoy their computing experience. It could even be psychological in that you enjoy using a Mac more because it is prettier, and the materials they use feel better to the touch. I get that may sound stupid to some, but it's completely legitimate to others. Its just about what you need / value in a computer. 

 

So in the end, forget people who say one is better than the other. It's complete nonsense. The best one is the one you enjoy using the most, and if you value the things that Apple offers at a premium price. It's the same as headphones. 

 

 

That's a load of rubbish, no offense. With a custom built PC you get hundreds if not thousands of choices in hardware. There are countless keyboard/mouses/screens/cases that look and feel better than the Apple stuff, and you're not stuck with them when you feel like trying out a different flavor either. There is no "harmony/synergy" with Apple products, just limited options, which is why computer illiterates feel better because they seem easier to use as you can't do or customize much of anything. The same is readily available with windows, the Apple fanboys are just too easily convinced by hipsterish commercials that make them feel like they're special for owning an overpriced box to bother learning how to use an operating system that's used everywhere by a large margin. So if you want to pay thousands of dollars extra just so you can feel special more power to you, but to the pragmatic people who are hesitating, the PC remains the better choice.

 

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Originally Posted by Tablix View Post
 

The MAC/PC debate is pointless, the music is digital so the DAC chip and how its used is critical.  If you are seriously concerned about the audio chain you buy a USB or optical device or a dedicated soundcard.

 

This debate is pointless, neither is doing any harm to your music as this is an OPERATING SYSTEM that drives a piece of SOFTWARE that runs data from a STORAGE DEVICE.  I know this is a little confrontational, but why are people still debating this. 

 
Actually, most people that can afford and do buy a Mac can also afford and own an external DAC hooked up by USB to bypass the Apple DAC chip entirely, making it obsolete at best. So in the end, for people who want a computer strictly for audio, like you said, the only thing that matters is the price. And so, PCs are the better choice everytime.
 
Then comes into play the noise that your computer can bring to your digital signal. In that respect, as said above, a PC can be completely customized to be fanless for example, greatly reducing such noise. So once again, the PC is the better choice.

Edited by elmoe - 4/19/14 at 2:29am
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