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Gamecom 780 or Razer tiamat 7.1

post #1 of 9
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Hi guys I need some advice of you
I love Razer tiamat and I always wanted one but then when going to the store I saw the gamecom 780, which was much cheaper than the Razer tiamat 7.1
Which one should I buy?
Some advice would be thankfull
Thanks
post #2 of 9

From my limited experience with headsets with multiple drivers, I would go with the Plantronics (out of those two..... but I would go for a Sennheiser :P)

Multiple driver headsets sound like poo because each speaker is tuned differently and the sound does not move around your head fluidly, but changes timbre in a really ugly way as it moves around your head.

The Plantronics only simulates 7.1, so I guess it has only 1 speaker per side.

I've tried a logitech headset that does this, and found that it is overall a much more pleasurable experience, as the sound quality does not deteriorate as it moves behind you.

 

True 7.1 has only about 5-10% better positional sound ability to simulated/software 7.1 sound through a stereo headset.

But stereo headset sounds about 50% better in sound quality and fluidity of sound movement.

 

I think it's going to be a few more years until a truly good quality 5.1/7.1 headset will come out that has uniform sound quality in all channels, and even longer before an 'audiophile' standard headset becomes available.

post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

From my limited experience with headsets with multiple drivers, I would go with the Plantronics (out of those two..... but I would go for a Sennheiser :P)
Multiple driver headsets sound like poo because each speaker is tuned differently and the sound does not move around your head fluidly, but changes timbre in a really ugly way as it moves around your head.
The Plantronics only simulates 7.1, so I guess it has only 1 speaker per side.
I've tried a logitech headset that does this, and found that it is overall a much more pleasurable experience, as the sound quality does not deteriorate as it moves behind you.

True 7.1 has only about 5-10% better positional sound ability to simulated/software 7.1 sound through a stereo headset.
But stereo headset sounds about 50% better in sound quality and fluidity of sound movement.

I think it's going to be a few more years until a truly good quality 5.1/7.1 headset will come out that has uniform sound quality in all channels, and even longer before an 'audiophile' standard headset becomes available.
Thank you for the advice, it was very helpful.
post #4 of 9

None of them, they are both pretty trashy, if you want a good sound quality, good build quality, and a good performance for competetive gaming (like directional hearing).

 

Get a good stereo headphone (NOT Gaming headset), some cheap microphone, and a Soundcard for a virtual simulation (like Asus Xonar DGX with Dolbi Headphone).

 

"true" 5.1/7.1 headsets/headphones, with 6/8 drivers in total, will NEVER be good. It is physically not possible to get the same results as with 7.1 Speakers.

There is a Reason why not a single Professional Headphone company makes anything besides "stereo". Because Stereo is the best, in sound quality, and directional locating.

 

These results you can also read here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-update-3-29-2014-ultrasone-hs-15-added-edits

 

Believe me: Dont buy Gaming **** if you want a good quality.

Stereo headphones for 100-150€, lets take for example the AKG K612 Pro (natural sounding, slighly bassy, but VERY good resolution and a VERY good soundstage (tho still abit worse than the Perfection there, the AKG K701, which is more expensive and wants more power to be driven properly).

Or, the Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro. Will last you for 20-30 Years, has strong bass/treble, but a good soundstage for gaming.

I Promise you, you will not find any "Gaming Headset" on the market, neither now nor in 30 years, who could compete with Headphones like this in terms of soundquality (no matter if music or gaming) and build quality.

post #5 of 9

I tried both of them and all the "7.1" channel with 7 drivers is bull****. It sounded boomy and sound direction wise, it was crap. The bass was out of control too. Siberia V2 or something(don't remember the name exactly) was better. The Plantronics isn't too bad, the mic doesn't bend though. The plantronic's treble is a bit rough and other wise it sounds clear and  okay for gaming use. The multiple channel surround sound thing didn't suit me though, it just didnt work better than my HD598 at all( doesnt really get better than that but still.)

I do not recommend AKGs because they do sound natural and nice but sound stage wise, the soundstage goes sideways, making soundhoring harder.

post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by Darkseth View Post
 

 

Get a good stereo headphone (NOT Gaming headset), some cheap microphone, and a Soundcard for a virtual simulation (like Asus Xonar DGX with Dolbi Headphone).

 

Have you heard the more expensive headsets from Sennheiser?

Because they sound good.

 

(but I do agree somewhat- my main gaming headphone is a Beyer DT990)


Edited by GREQ - 4/12/14 at 12:04am
post #7 of 9

Sadly i did not. I dont doubt, that they sound good from the sounding and soundstage wise (PC 360), also according to mad lust envys guide.

But its 170€ here, while  the DT 990 is 130-150€. The DT 990 doesnt only sound a good bunch better according to 100% of the people who compared both, the difference between build quality is just rediculous.

I have seen several posts about even the PC 360 models, lasting for mostly 1-2 years, maybe 3, untill something breaks. And as soon anything broke, you cannot replace it. Thats my main issue with gaming products, no matter if razer or sennheiser.

post #8 of 9

I love Beyers too but the problem with them is that they have too much treble and bass plus the "not up to audio-technica" soundstage.

HD598 is the best way to go I think, soundstage is good, directional accuracy is great, and build quality is great.

post #9 of 9

I do use DT990 and i don't really have any problem with the treble, at least for short periods of time. Sometimes I just use the EQ to make the treble more... natural. HD598 i guess is going to be a good option. (i never heard of the HD598 them but i use the HD600)  For electronic music i still prefer the beyerdynamic because i find the amount of bass perfect for me :D
I would not recommend the Tiamat 7.1 or the Gamecom ( i used the 777 and they suck for the price).

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