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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by rptlead View Post

This is the amp right?  
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/fosgate-signature-tube-headphone-amplifier

it's a bit over my initial budget but, if it's something worth saving for, so be it.  The review says it's better suited for low impedance cans, does that mean it won't drive some of the entry level power hungry planars?   thanks

Trust me when I say it has enough power. It drives the HE-500 remarkably well.
post #32 of 43
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Trust me when I say it has enough power. It drives the HE-500 remarkably well.

noted. Thanks! updating my list of amps to consider for my next upgrade!

post #33 of 43
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My two cents if you do not mind:

 

By far the best pairing I have heard with the HD800 is the Fosgate Signature amp.

 

I have owned four Audio GD amps (two balanced :blink:) and really cant say they were bad, but I would not say they were great.

 

The Lyr is as good as the tubes in it, I would choose it over any of the Audio GD amps I have heard.

 

The Crack is ridiculously good with the HD650(I almost could not believe my ears), but I have not heard it with the HD800 so I cant comment on it (I wish more people would do as such).

 

The Vali is actually very good for the money, I first heard it with the Modi and thought it was good, tried it on my DAC2 and was really impressed.  But none of the mentioned are even close to the synergy the Fosgate Signature/ hd800 have to my ears. 

 

I do not think I have read anything negative about the IFi products, that is quite an accomplishment on here!


Fearless,  which is better with the HD800...the Lyr or the M Stage?

post #34 of 43
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I am familiar with Audio GD.  Unfortunately, we can't try every model from every manufacturer out there.  I'm aware of their reputation.

 

I remember reading that the "i" stands for interactive.  I suppose they were trying to point out the fact that you can alter the sound by interacting with the bass boost and cross-feed switches.    They are aiming the iFi devices at computer audio users.

 

 

Well, iFi is a subsidiary of Abbingdon Music Research, a well known and small audio company known for making good products for a HIGH price.  One of the reasons I bought the iCAN is because it was based on designs by Abbingdon Music Reearch - they oversee the design and engineering elements of iFi's production.

 

 

 

 

 

And based on the reputation of Abbingdon Music Research, it might be not be too obvious who they are marketing to -- iFi is the micro computer audio division of AMR.   

 

Perhaps the NFB-10 is better than the iCAN (maybe not), but I would not be so quick to dismiss iFi products.

 

 

You can find some links to iFi reviews here if you are interested:

http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/news.html

 

And here are some reviews of AMR products so you can familiarize yourself with the brand:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/abbingdon-music-research-dp-777-da-processor

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/abbingdon/abbingdon.html

http://www.head-fi.org/t/681706/abbingdon-music-research-dp-777-thread

WOW, open mouth insert foot!

 

Thanks for the information man. I appreciate your not insulting me or anything childish but actually provoding some relveant information. I might actually give there little tube amp a try [oh wait nvm I don't own SE cans any moar >.>]

 

non the less, I'm happy to find out that I was wrong [very wrong] about what I thought about he company. I may have to contact them and see if I can do a review or get a sample. 

post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 


Fearless,  which is better with the HD800...the Lyr or the M Stage?


The Lyr with a quite power source and a warm tube is much, much better sounding (I am a tube guy :wink:)  For a budget amp the M-stage is warm and clear, so it does sound decent with the HD800.

post #36 of 43
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WOW, open mouth insert foot!

 

Thanks for the information man. I appreciate your not insulting me or anything childish but actually provoding some relveant information. I might actually give there little tube amp a try [oh wait nvm I don't own SE cans any moar >.>]

 

non the less, I'm happy to find out that I was wrong [very wrong] about what I thought about he company. I may have to contact them and see if I can do a review or get a sample. 

Hello, 

 

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post #37 of 43
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

WOW, open mouth insert foot!

 

Thanks for the information man. I appreciate your not insulting me or anything childish but actually provoding some relveant information. I might actually give there little tube amp a try [oh wait nvm I don't own SE cans any moar >.>]

 

non the less, I'm happy to find out that I was wrong [very wrong] about what I thought about he company. I may have to contact them and see if I can do a review or get a sample. 

:beerchug:

post #38 of 43
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hi again guys,

 

I read somewhere that (i cant remember which thread), an Anaxilus-modded hd800 pairs well with the Vali. Can someone confirm that?   Although dont get me wrong guys, I think the Ifi-stack is sounding really sweet with the HD800 - sans dubstep genre - although the mod made the genre more tolerable to me than before.  Should I just save the money (100+) and buy something better? Or is the Vali worth owning on it's own right given it may take some time to save for the next big upgrade?

 

thanks!

post #39 of 43
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OK. since no one answered. I just went ahead and bought a vali after doing the mod on my Hd800. I hope they pair well!

post #40 of 43
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OK. since no one answered. I just went ahead and bought a vali after doing the mod on my Hd800. I hope they pair well!

 

Now it is your turn to give some impressions...  :wink:

 

 

Let us know how the Vali compares to the iCAN.

post #41 of 43
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will try! :) vali's arriving tomorrow

post #42 of 43
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ok, here goes. vali's not full burn in - but wow do they sound good out of the box.  Anyway here's a very quick impression against the ifi Ican + itube - which maybe slightly unfair given the combo - but hey, im just trying to compare two of the rigs i have ;) So please be nice ;)
 

source is macbook pro-> audioquest cinamon usb-> iusb power -->igemini--> idsd then to 

setup A - vali

setup B - iTube micro + iCan micro ( no xbass boost, and no 3d settings enabled)

 

headphone is just hd 800 for now

 

test songs:

Canon (acoustic guitar)

Stay by alson kraus

and If by if marianna leporace

 

im in mood for vocals and instrumentals hence these songs.. no special reasons

 

So there's the ringing on the vali that went away after 10 or so seconds.  I find it full bodied specially during the vocals -sort of more juicy and energetic compared to the ifi combo - at least for these songs.   The Ifi combo is more laid-back and natural - and really beats vali in terms of details - specially low level ones. The separation is better too on the ifi's.  And although there's ever so slight sibiliance, it's nothing compared to what i heard on the vali - which has a very mild sibilance - but detectable.  Also it looks like the vali has longer decay though the cymbals are crisp. Not sure if I am contradicting myself, but that's what i thought i heard.  The iCan combo is ever so slightly ahead in terms of speed compared to the vali.  Not sure if it's the decay of the vali that's making it seem that way.  And it seems that the ifi combo is more articulate than the vali overall.  At higher volumes, the vali started sounding more steely to me.  Still nice to listen to, but the word steely very much accurately describes what i heard compared to approximately same volume level of the ifi combo.  That roughly translates quicker ear fatigue for the pair I have.

 

To wrap up, the vali for me wins in terms of body and energy and not to mention value for money.  But the ifi combo is really obviously more laid-back and natural for this genre, and this is without turning on the the 3D and xbass effect.  I really didnt expect vali to drive the hd800 this well compared to the ifi combo - especially at the price point.  So yeah, im keeping the vali - maybe as my pseudo portable office setup.  There's about four things i think the ifi combo is really glaringly better for these ears: 1 - less sibilance (though really, this is really mild) 2 - naturalness - the vali tends to be more steely as you crank the volume up more and 3 - detail 4- separation of instruments - not sure if layering is a better term though.   As for the soundstage, they are not too discerningly far apart on these songs with these ears so i didnt really bother to compare too much.   But of course, when i flipped the 3d switch on the ifi, it's a whole different ballgame.

i will try to report more as i try different headphones - although i may wait for the ifi attenuators. but yeah, im impressed by the vali especially considering the price point!

post #43 of 43
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Originally Posted by rptlead View Post
 

ok, here goes. vali's not full burn in - but wow do they sound good out of the box.  Anyway here's a very quick impression against the ifi Ican + itube - which maybe slightly unfair given the combo - but hey, im just trying to compare two of the rigs i have ;) So please be nice ;)
 

source is macbook pro-> audioquest cinamon usb-> iusb power -->igemini--> idsd then to 

setup A - vali

setup B - iTube micro + iCan micro ( no xbass boost, and no 3d settings enabled)

 

headphone is just hd 800 for now

 

test songs:

Canon (acoustic guitar)

Stay by alson kraus

and If by if marianna leporace

 

im in mood for vocals and instrumentals hence these songs.. no special reasons

 

So there's the ringing on the vali that went away after 10 or so seconds.  I find it full bodied specially during the vocals -sort of more juicy and energetic compared to the ifi combo - at least for these songs.   The Ifi combo is more laid-back and natural - and really beats vali in terms of details - specially low level ones. The separation is better too on the ifi's.  And although there's ever so slight sibiliance, it's nothing compared to what i heard on the vali - which has a very mild sibilance - but detectable.  Also it looks like the vali has longer decay though the cymbals are crisp. Not sure if I am contradicting myself, but that's what i thought i heard.  The iCan combo is ever so slightly ahead in terms of speed compared to the vali.  Not sure if it's the decay of the vali that's making it seem that way.  And it seems that the ifi combo is more articulate than the vali overall.  At higher volumes, the vali started sounding more steely to me.  Still nice to listen to, but the word steely very much accurately describes what i heard compared to approximately same volume level of the ifi combo.  That roughly translates quicker ear fatigue for the pair I have.

 

To wrap up, the vali for me wins in terms of body and energy and not to mention value for money.  But the ifi combo is really obviously more laid-back and natural for this genre, and this is without turning on the the 3D and xbass effect.  I really didnt expect vali to drive the hd800 this well compared to the ifi combo - especially at the price point.  So yeah, im keeping the vali - maybe as my pseudo portable office setup.  There's about four things i think the ifi combo is really glaringly better for these ears: 1 - less sibilance (though really, this is really mild) 2 - naturalness - the vali tends to be more steely as you crank the volume up more and 3 - detail 4- separation of instruments - not sure if layering is a better term though.   As for the soundstage, they are not too discerningly far apart on these songs with these ears so i didnt really bother to compare too much.   But of course, when i flipped the 3d switch on the ifi, it's a whole different ballgame.

i will try to report more as i try different headphones - although i may wait for the ifi attenuators. but yeah, im impressed by the vali especially considering the price point!

Well I'm happy to hear that, I very much enjoyd the Vali. I spent about a month with it with my DT 880 I'm glad you went for it and are enjoying it :3

 

Still, I'm happy to hear the IfI utilizes some DSP within it self! DSP effects are always cool ^^

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