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post #406 of 619
Although I'm an ardent supporter of LH Labs and have backed three of their projects, I do wish that they'd consolidate the perk options before going 'live' with yet another new venture. As it really perturbs me that shortly after announcing another project and offering basic functionality, the seemingly endless perk/upgrade marketing model sets in. LH Labs aren't being benevolent by offering product upgrades, as they know in advance what's possible at any given (unit) price point. So why don't they incorporate these 'options' into the basic cost of products? Instead we have this perpetual perk upgrading designed to extract more cash from us gullible audiophiles. I don't like this business model but I too have succumbed to it.
Edited by smial1966 - 7/4/14 at 1:46pm

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post #407 of 619
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

That's a relief. I went with the Dual ESS DAC upgrade. High quality DAP for a bit over 200€, when it finally arrives I'll be a happy camper.

 

Honestly I think everyone should be a happy camper no matter what level Wave and add-ons they select. The dual DAC perk should help in improving soundstage and imaging since you'll have less crosstalk and better separation. That and the standalone DAC perk are to me some of the best value perks the campaign is offering.

post #408 of 619
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Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

Although I'm an ardent supporter of LH Labs and have backed three of their projects, I do wish that they'd consolidate the perk options before going 'live' with yet another new venture. As it really perturbs me that shortly after announcing another project and offering basic functionality, the seemingly endless perk/upgrade marketing model sets in. LH Labs aren't being benevolent by offering product upgrades, as they know in advance what's possible at any given (unit) price point. So why don't they incorporate these 'options' into the basic cost of products? Instead we have this perpetual perk upgrading designed to extract more cash from us gullible audiophiles. I don't like this business model but I too have succumbed to it.

I think for two main reasons;

1) you can talk in their forums on design and actually get the features you wish implemented in ways you want them.

2) If they offered everything they could think of at the start, people would have no reason to interact and give them design ideas for free - we're acting as the best think tank available.
Also, if I'd known what this was going to cost at the outset I'd be more hesitant, but now I figure 'in for a penny in for a pound'.

Waiting for next perk... Later today or tomorrow probably.
post #409 of 619
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

Honestly I think everyone should be a happy camper no matter what level Wave and add-ons they select. The dual DAC perk should help in improving soundstage and imaging since you'll have less crosstalk and better separation. That and the standalone DAC perk are to me some of the best value perks the campaign is offering.

Explain.  How is this done?  Also give me the difference of the figures between the crosstalk of the SE and BAL.  Also explain how this widens the sound stage and imaging in technical terms please.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/4/14 at 8:00pm
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Me want one😊
post #411 of 619

I am not sure how it works over indiegogo. Does it mean the Geek Wave has to get its targeted funding level before shippment begin, or even production commence ?

Thanks for advice.

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I am not sure how it works over indiegogo. Does it mean the Geek Wave has to get its targeted funding level before shippment begin, or even production commence ?
Thanks for advice.

Yes. Their goal was 38,000. They are now at 838,600, so the goal has been exceeded by far. Even though they have working samples of the wave they are still making changes and upgrades. Shipping won't be until next year as it says deliveries are supposed to start around March.
post #413 of 619
Hi all,
I can't decide between IEM upgrade and THD upgrade (I can only choose 1 between these) with XD128. I will use XD128 with ath-m50 and iem: JVC fx850, Shure se215.
From my understand, IEM upgrade is for high sensitive iem; so how to know an iem is sensitive?
Also how is the THD upgrade benefit over IEM upgrade if your iem is not really sensitive? Cause I read that Larry Ho recommended THD over IEM for best combo below 1000$.
Thank you for your reply! smily_headphones1.gif
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SE 215 is 107 dB SPL/mW and 20 ohm. The FX850 is 106 dB SPL/mW and 16 ohm. Both of those could classify as high sensitivity since they're more than 105 dB and low impedance since they're under 32 ohm. So the IEM upgrade could benefit you for those, but it won't do anything for the M50. Since you plan to use more than just IEMs with it, you should consider the THD over the IEM upgrade since it will benefit all of the headphones you plan to use, not just some. Larry did indeed recommend people get the THD over the IEM unless they're exclusively using IEMs with the Wave, and even then only for sensitive ones. Mine run 118dB SPL/mW and 25 ohm so you can see they're a good deal more sensitive than the JVC and Sure you have listed, so for me the IEM upgrade was a no-brainer. My 1964Q are the ones that are always with me when I travel.

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@AxelCloris: Actually I use iem more than cans, especially jvc fx850 (cause fx850 is much better than the other). So I will choose IEM upgrade instead of THD one!! Thank you for your quick reply and explanation!!!
Cheers!!! smily_headphones1.gif
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I'm wondering if the X128 will have audible hiss/background noise with UM Miracles....It seems ass-backwards to charge more money for a portable device so that it will play nice with iems. This thing should be built with iems in mind imo. If anybody wants power, use the line out.

post #417 of 619
Correct, line out with your favorite Amp.

I have a Geek Out 1000, my UM Mentors have no problem with it esp. when inserting at 47ohm. There is a slight hiss however when I engage the 3D awesomefier.

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I'm wondering if the X128 will have audible hiss/background noise with UM Miracles....It seems ass-backwards to charge more money for a portable device so that it will play nice with iems. This thing should be built with iems in mind imo. If anybody wants power, use the line out.



Well, the GO1000 and the sales of the Wave 128 suggest otherwise. There is clear demand for an all-in-one device that requires no external amp. The higher the power, the higher the noise floor will be relative to lower power Geek designs. That's just a reality of amp design. As someone with sensitive IEMs, I am happy that there is an IEM-optimized option.
post #419 of 619
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

SE 215 is 107 dB SPL/mW and 20 ohm. The FX850 is 106 dB SPL/mW and 16 ohm. Both of those could classify as high sensitivity since they're more than 105 dB and low impedance since they're under 32 ohm. So the IEM upgrade could benefit you for those, but it won't do anything for the M50. Since you plan to use more than just IEMs with it, you should consider the THD over the IEM upgrade since it will benefit all of the headphones you plan to use, not just some. Larry did indeed recommend people get the THD over the IEM unless they're exclusively using IEMs with the Wave, and even then only for sensitive ones. Mine run 118dB SPL/mW and 25 ohm so you can see they're a good deal more sensitive than the JVC and Sure you have listed, so for me the IEM upgrade was a no-brainer. My 1964Q are the ones that are always with me when I travel.


Don't forget, that on the XD128, there will be a gain switch with gold plated silver alloy contacts so both high and low sensitivity IEM's can be used with the IEM perk.

post #420 of 619
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Well, the GO1000 and the sales of the Wave 128 suggest otherwise. There is clear demand for an all-in-one device that requires no external amp. The higher the power, the higher the noise floor will be relative to lower power Geek designs. That's just a reality of amp design. As someone with sensitive IEMs, I am happy that there is an IEM-optimized option.


It's silly to charge $128 to make a portable dap work with sensitive iems. Think about it: this (at least the X128 and XD128) is a high-end dap and you have to pay extra to avoid background noise when using sensitive, high-end iems with it. The list Larry provided from Earphone Solutions, which was meant to show some examples of sensitive iems, were all $500+!!! What part of this equation is not farcical? I'll wager that most people who are even aware of it already have sensitive iems to begin with. If anybody should be eating the extra cost, it's those who want to use their full-size cans without an amp (although I suppose they are being targeted with the THD upgrade, as well). It all feels a bit like the showroom of a car dealership.

 

I wonder what's next...."New perk: for those of you who love classic jazz, we will optimize your Wave to playback classic jazz recordings by blah blah blahing the blah blah blahs. If you like jazz and you don't get this upgrade, it won't sound as good. That'll be $98." I know I'm being cynical - no need to point this out to me in a reply. There may be some very good reasons for their decisions, but I've yet to hear them.

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