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post #301 of 4035
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Originally Posted by jdog View Post

So is the aim of the balanced set-up supposed to be to provide a more accurate, more true stereo sound thru separate channels that ultimately drive the right and left sides of earphones?  Does this mean that channel separation would be enhanced and possibly a better (?wider)  soundstage??  I'm still just trying to understand the difference here... 

From what I understand and have read you are correct. When I added the balanced cables in my desktop setup between my MDAC and BHA-1 I noticed a big improvement in soundstage. It also helped with the clarity. Once I got my Alpha Dogs with both balanced and single ended cables I did not nice much of a difference between switching back and forth between cables, with volume matching. The bigger difference I found was the source being balanced. This doesn't mean the results will be the same with different amps though.
post #302 of 4035

So one final question, if one only has single ended earphones (whether BA or dynamic drivers) then do you think there will be any (perceptible) difference in sound between the GW 128 and the GW X128, or is the GW X128 being offered with the anticipation that one would use balanced earphones?  I'm trying to figure out if the $130 difference in the 2 players is worth it for me (and yes, I understand the X128 has the stand alone DAC included and the potential high grade aluminum casing upgrade).  Thanks.

post #303 of 4035
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Originally Posted by jdog View Post
 

So one final question, if one only has single ended earphones (whether BA or dynamic drivers) then do you think there will be any (perceptible) difference in sound between the GW 128 and the GW X128, or is the GW X128 being offered with the anticipation that one would use balanced earphones?  I'm trying to figure out if the $130 difference in the 2 players is worth it for me (and yes, I understand the X128 has the stand alone DAC included and the potential high grade aluminum casing upgrade).  Thanks.

 

The Wave X has dual headphone amps which you won't get in the Wave 128. If you're not planning on using balanced headphones, this will make a difference in the sound quality but it won't be a blatantly obvious improvement, it'll be subtle. The dual amps will really shine when used with balanced headphones since they will get the biggest benefit from the change.

 

And we will make it to the aluminum stretch goal, of that I am sure.

post #304 of 4035
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Originally Posted by jdog View Post

So one final question, if one only has single ended earphones (whether BA or dynamic drivers) then do you think there will be any (perceptible) difference in sound between the GW 128 and the GW X128, or is the GW X128 being offered with the anticipation that one would use balanced earphones?  I'm trying to figure out if the $130 difference in the 2 players is worth it for me (and yes, I understand the X128 has the stand alone DAC included and the potential high grade aluminum casing upgrade).  Thanks.

Yes. I still feel there will be an improvement using an SE headphone with a balanced DAP. From the AK120ii thread reviewers have said that the SE and balances outputs on the AK240 sound very similar and it is a balanced DAP:). As I noted there was a big improvement on my desktop setup when I went balanced but still using my SE cable for the HE-500.

You might also want to ask on the geek wave forum for other opinion as well. I'm sure there are other people that can explain the benefits better than I can:)
post #305 of 4035

Thanks guys for your input, I really appreciate your time.  Now I just have to figure out if I want to commit to upgrades.  Thanks again.

post #306 of 4035
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Thanks guys for your input, I really appreciate your time.  Now I just have to figure out if I want to commit to upgrades.  Thanks again.

No problem:). I guess the only real way to decide if the upgrade to balanced is worth it for you is to hear it for yourself on the Wave. But unfortunately it is tough to do as the wave is not released yet. I did ask Larry from. LHL though what I would be better off with... The 128 with all the upgrades perks or the XD128 as they would be close to the same price, and he said to go with the balanced.
post #307 of 4035
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Originally Posted by Dave74 View Post

No problem:). I guess the only real way to decide if the upgrade to balanced is worth it for you is to hear it for yourself on the Wave. But unfortunately it is tough to do as the wave is not released yet. I did ask Larry from. LHL though what I would be better off with... The 128 with all the upgrades perks or the XD128 as they would be close to the same price, and he said to go with the balanced.

 

Anyone who wants to demo balanced output could track down something like the HM-700 or the AK120 to see if it's noticeable to them.

post #308 of 4035
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

Anyone who wants to demo balanced output could track down something like the HM-700 or the AK120 to see if it's noticeable to them.

Yes, they could try listening to a different balanced DAP to see if it is noticeable. The only problem with that is that it might be more noticeable on some DAP then on others.  Maybe it will make a bigger difference on the Wave, who knows:)

post #309 of 4035
I'm still trying to decide, and I confess it's not a happy process.

I'll start by trying to consider the comparison being made between the maxed XD and AK240. I think it's safe to expect the Wave to hit us just in time for Christmas 2015. But the next AK will be out by then, and maybe even the one after that.

Besides that, I'm trying to understand why LH isn't acting like an ordinary firm that presents the public with a finished product.
Edited by Claritas - 6/23/14 at 5:33pm
post #310 of 4035

Because its a brilliant idea to go crowdfunding a win-win situation for both producer and user (on paper).

 

Have a working prototype (producer).

Have it crowdfunded and introduce various possible config. as perks.

Use user inputs, acquired R&D and funds to produce final retail to market. 

While users get what they want with huge discounts first before hitting retail.

 

Producer Benefits:

1. Initial funds to start project.

2. Market inputs on product and its subsequent R&D.

    User reviews/inputs before retail.

3. A solid market driven product(s) if made retail.

    If not, R&D is already paid thru funds acquired.

 

User Benefits:

1. "Perks" with huge discounts (since there are no dealers/middlemen).

2. Avantgarde technology /First to have before marketed to retail.

3. Customized "Perks" thru options/upgrades.

post #311 of 4035
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Originally Posted by m-i-c-k-e-y View Post

Because its a brilliant idea to go crowdfunding a win-win situation for both producer and user (on paper).

Have a working prototype (producer).
Have it crowdfunded and introduce various possible config. as perks.
Use user inputs, acquired R&D and funds to produce final retail to market. 
While users get what they want with huge discounts first before hitting retail.

Producer Benefits:
1. Initial funds to start project.
2. Market inputs on product and its subsequent R&D.
    User reviews/inputs before retail.
3. A solid market driven product(s) if made retail.
    If not, R&D is already paid thru funds acquired.

User Benefits:
1. "Perks" with huge discounts (since there are no dealers/middlemen).
2. Avantgarde technology /First to have before marketed to retail.
3. Customized "Perks" thru options/upgrades.
You forgot the User Perk: pay for stuff separately that should be included. That's a big one.
post #312 of 4035
Yep! It's on no. 3 supposed to be... That's the reason my wallet hates it very much. 😆

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post #313 of 4035
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Originally Posted by m-i-c-k-e-y View Post
 

Because its a brilliant idea to go crowdfunding a win-win situation for both producer and user (on paper).

 

Have a working prototype (producer).

Have it crowdfunded and introduce various possible config. as perks.

Use user inputs, acquired R&D and funds to produce final retail to market. 

While users get what they want with huge discounts first before hitting retail.

 

Producer Benefits:

1. Initial funds to start project.

2. Market inputs on product and its subsequent R&D.

    User reviews/inputs before retail.

3. A solid market driven product(s) if made retail.

    If not, R&D is already paid thru funds acquired.

 

User Benefits:

1. "Perks" with huge discounts (since there are no dealers/middlemen).

2. Avantgarde technology /First to have before marketed to retail.

3. Customized "Perks" thru options/upgrades.

 

I guess I don't necessarily have any issue with LH going the crowding funding model and I backed many initiatives on KS and other platforms before.

What I think created confusion (at best), skepticism, or distrust (at worst) is really the choice of the late "perks" like IEM or THD that are more performance related than design related choices that IMO should be the responsibility of the manufacturer proclaiming making the "best"....  

 

As with Mimouille I tracked the WAVE with interest but will find it hard to commit to a changing goal.  It may still sound great but I'd probably wait for the final product to hit shelf sometime in 2015 and spend my $$$ on products that I can enjoy now (2014).

post #314 of 4035
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I guess I don't necessarily have any issue with LH going the crowding funding model and I backed many initiatives on KS and other platforms before.
What I think created confusion (at best), skepticism, or distrust (at worst) is really the choice of the late "perks" like IEM or THD that are more performance related than design related choices that IMO should be the responsibility of the manufacturer proclaiming making the "best"....  

As with Mimouille I tracked the WAVE with interest but will find it hard to commit to a changing goal.  It may still sound great but I'd probably wait for the final product to hit shelf sometime in 2015 and spend my $$$ on products that I can enjoy now (2014).
Yep and thus Cowon P1 is calling my wallet. But still interested in the Geek based on the latest design.
post #315 of 4035

KKCC,

 

I agree with you completely.  I am really just hoping that the base models of the Geek Wave (GW, GWX and GWXD) perform up to the hype without having to add some of these perks.  I have avoided the late perks, but I did opt for the dual dac option.  I do consider my lucky for now cause I have some nice (for my listening needs anyway) portable audio equipment, so I will be comfortable for at least another year (and hopefully this investment in GW will curb my desire (?weakness?) to spend more money in the meantime) while the GW is being built.

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