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post #136 of 3762

I agree the IEM package costs way more than what I'd ever anticipate (would've guessed $50-60), but do you guys even know how a gain switch works and what goes into making an IEM have a perfectly silent background? There's a lot more than just switching out the resistive path. Yes, lower gain would make the thing less hissy and less loud, but the fact is that even if you think an X5 or whatever sounds "good" with IEMs, the truth is that the analog circuit in it performs significantly worse with an IEM than it does with a pair of 300 ohm headphones --- the THD+N increases, the IMD increases, etc.

 

I'm sure most of you would think the Wave sounds "great" even without the IEM mod. Again, I do think the package is priced too high, because I don't think it costs that much to implement an IEM-specific circuit, but the "gain switch" argument is not really valid here.

post #137 of 3762
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I'm really growing more and more wary of the ever more creative perks for more $$$...... the femto clock I can still understand, but low gain for more $$$ and better snd for more $$$.. in really don't know about that. I guess I can understand if this is retrofit and involved more cost to mod, but not from a brand new pre order product.

 

 

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Originally Posted by pekingduck View Post
 

Agreed with kkcc. I was so tempted to back this thing but after seeing those extra perks, my interest has died down completely... It's supposed to be a no-compromise DAP and now to "maximize" the performance with sensitive IEMs an extra USD $128 is needed. Wouldn't a gain switch suffice?

 

I agree.  I am backed at the 219$ price for the 64. I have contacted them multiple times via IGG, their own forum, and their suggested method of opening a ticket but have not had my question answered.  I originally wanted to move down to the 32 and get the femto upgrade but now I just want to cancel my pledge all together.  I will no longer back anything on IGG.  Since they take the money before hand, it seems companies can care a lot less about what the customer needs.  How are they getting that price increase to tweak the Wave for IEMs? Im over them.

post #138 of 3762
I only paid for the lowest one after hearing a proto board last weekend. Yes, I see all the buy ups but it's turning into a mess IMO. Tyranny of choices. It's like you're afraid to do anything because another perk will pop up that stomps the last one you just picked.
post #139 of 3762
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

I agree the IEM package costs way more than what I'd ever anticipate (would've guessed $50-60), but do you guys even know how a gain switch works and what goes into making an IEM have a perfectly silent background? There's a lot more than just switching out the resistive path. Yes, lower gain would make the thing less hissy and less loud, but the fact is that even if you think an X5 or whatever sounds "good" with IEMs, the truth is that the analog circuit in it performs significantly worse with an IEM than it does with a pair of 300 ohm headphones --- the THD+N increases, the IMD increases, etc.

 

I'm sure most of you would think the Wave sounds "great" even without the IEM mod. Again, I do think the package is priced too high, because I don't think it costs that much to implement an IEM-specific circuit, but the "gain switch" argument is not really valid here.

Hiss is thermal noise and humm is power supply wave noise, and they are picked up because of gain.  All THD specs are well under inaudible range unless being clipped for SS.  Gain is changed so that sensitive headpones not pick up noise.  My CMOY has to high of a gain and you can hear the hiss.


Edited by SilverEars - 6/7/14 at 9:33pm
post #140 of 3762
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Originally Posted by Ultimate Mango View Post

Is the Wave S happening, or should those of us just looking for a battery powered amp look elsewhere?


It will happen soon but not on Indiegogo.  They're moving the Wave S, now called the Wave Stream, back to Kickstarter but that hasn't happened yet.  It should be within the next couple of weeks barring any extenuating circumstances.

post #141 of 3762
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Originally Posted by Insidious Meme View Post

I only paid for the lowest one after hearing a proto board last weekend.

How does it compare to other DAPs that you have heard?

post #142 of 3762
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Originally Posted by Ultimate Mango View Post

Is the Wave S happening, or should those of us just looking for a battery powered amp look elsewhere?

 

The Wave S campaign is still in development. Gavin Fish posted on the LHLabs forums that they're close to launching it but the details aren't quite ironed out yet.

post #143 of 3762
So what people are saying is that they find the Geek Wave is "good enough" as it stands, so they just want something with selectable gain so that they can use more volume control with IEMs. Apparently, you guys don't mind if the THD increases from 0.003% to 0.006% from a 600 ohm load to a 32 ohm load, or that the dynamic range may drop from 116 dB to 112 dB (arbitrary numbers, but realistic) when driving IEMs. If so, then there's no need for the IEM perk for you guys. Don't select it. None of us can hear the difference anyway, right? Don't choose the perk if you don't want it. Why complain?
post #144 of 3762

 

 

Hey, Light Harmonic - here's an idea for a perk - how about a UI that's actually worth using..?

post #145 of 3762

They have this idea.

 

Full screen control UI from your smartphone via BT.

(Wave in your pocket, bag or beside you. You control from your smartphone)

 

Wave has a smaller screen for limited DAP controls.

(Use Wave without your smartphone. Basic controls howerver)

 

Eliminating the big screen on Wave removes much noise that it creates (Argument of LHlabs) . 

post #146 of 3762
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Originally Posted by m-i-c-k-e-y View Post
 

They have this idea.

 

Full screen control UI from your smartphone via BT.

(Wave in your pocket, bag or beside you. You control from your smartphone)

 

Wave has a smaller screen for limited DAP controls.

(Use Wave without your smartphone. Basic controls howerver)

 

Eliminating the big screen on Wave removes much noise that it creates (Argument of LHlabs) . 

I wonder if this is EMI noise or thermal noise from the heat given off by the transistors?  Not sure how significant that would be as you just shut off the screen, I think they maybe just scaring audiophiles to milk them. There are plenty of DAPs with big screens, touch screens, etc..  Looking at the options, it's obvious their intentions are to milk audiophiles by targetting key features audiophiles are sensitive to.


Edited by SilverEars - 6/8/14 at 8:06am
post #147 of 3762
Those are some arguments on the GF forum.

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post #148 of 3762

They have released their first crowdfunded portable DAC/Amp Geek Out 450, 720 and 1000 (mW).

 

Once they have fulfilled their pre-orders they will start retail (Amazon maybe)

post #149 of 3762

So, to perform at audiophile level, I need to buy a perk for use with headphones or I need to buy a perk for use with IEMs/CIEMs

 

and then, if I need the UI to perform at a decent level, I need to buy a smartphone, too?

 

I fail to see what on earth the point of this half-baked, incomplete, contraption is.

 

iBasso must be laughing their arses off. They're providing audiophile performance WITH a (not perfect) but properly usable UI and a respectable screen, and all for $419.

 

And Fiio are offering a lot of performance, too, for very little money, with their X5.

post #150 of 3762
Interesting review. I wonder how the Geek Wave will perform without the THD or IEM perks.


And since the Wave directly addresses that it's better than an iPod, it will be interesting to see how it compares objectively to the Touch 5G.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/ipod-touch-5g/audio-quality.htm
Edited by miceblue - 6/9/14 at 1:29am
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