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post #256 of 600

1. Sound. Flatness, power and details. Detail the hell outa everything without devoiding it of impact. 

2. Touch + Buttons

3. I dream when there gonna be some sort of sound filter to deal with albums murdered with "Loudness War"(like god awfully mixed Sebastian Bach's Give Em' Hell from april 2014(mentioning it cos it's the worst case of it i ever heard))

5. 2 sd slots  

6. Sound will dictate the price.The lower the better of course, But would be nice to see it a least under 1000$ with DX90 price point as a sweet dream spot.


Edited by AngryRaccoon - 5/18/14 at 2:41pm
post #257 of 600

So this will be able to support Spotify then, correct? Having Spotify support on a high end DAP is a killer feature..the type I would buy a DAP just for. 

post #258 of 600

Why do you need a DAP to do that? You can use a mobile phone or computer to discover new music :confused_face_2:

post #259 of 600
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

Why do you need a DAP to do that? You can use a mobile phone or computer to discover new music :confused_face_2:

I, for some reason, would love to do that on my "main player" aswell... 

 

EDIT: anyways, Android quadcore SOC, 64GB+dual microSDXC, great SQ FTW!


Edited by Ev0lution - 5/19/14 at 4:34pm
post #260 of 600
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

Why do you need a DAP to do that? You can use a mobile phone or computer to discover new music :confused_face_2:

 

So that I can hear it using a high quality DAP in one unit. Of course I can hear Spotify through my iPhone but the point is that these high quality portable players have better DACs, amps, etc. Spotify through these players would sound worlds better than through my iPhone.

 

And Spotify isn't just for discovering new music. I use it as one of my main libraries since they pretty much have everything and play the songs in ultra high quality. 


Edited by pachoo5 - 5/20/14 at 7:42am
post #261 of 600
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So that I can hear it using a high quality DAP in one unit. Of course I can hear Spotify through my iPhone but the point is that these high quality portable players have better DACs, amps, etc. Spotify through these players would sound worlds better than through my iPhone.

 

And Spotify isn't just for discovering new music. I use it as one of my main libraries since they pretty much have everything and play the songs in ultra high quality. 

 

/rant

 

I'm sorry, but "~320 kbps (only available to Premium subscribers)" is not "ultra high quality" & is a waste of space & power having to have wifi antennas in a high end DAP. What you need is a Fiio E07k connected to your phone, not an X7.

 

If you aren't going to be playing hi-res files, at least as your primary source, then why bother paying that kind of money?

 

If Fiio wants to make 2 versions of the X7, 1 with wifi/bluetooth, & 1 without, then I am all for it. However, adding all of these crap features to a high end player to try to attract the masses when trying to advertise to audiophiles is b.s. At ~$700 it is not going to be a mass market item.

 

/end rant

post #262 of 600
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/rant

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I'm sorry, but "~320 kbps (only available to Premium subscribers)" is not "ultra high quality" & is a waste of space & power having to have wifi antennas in a high end DAP. What you need is a Fiio E07k connected to your phone, not an X7.

 

If you aren't going to be playing hi-res files, at least as your primary source, then why bother paying that kind of money?

 

If Fiio wants to make 2 versions of the X7, 1 with wifi/bluetooth, & 1 without, then I am all for it. However, adding all of these crap features to a high end player to try to attract the masses when trying to advertise to audiophiles is b.s. At ~$700 it is not going to be a mass market item.

/end rant

 

 

I completely agree.

post #263 of 600

/rant

...

/end rant

 

Studies have proven over and over again that our ears can't hear the difference between 192kbs, let alone 320kbps, and raw sound files.

 

And of course I am a premium subscriber so the point about it being only 320kbs for subscribers only is moot. 

 

And of course there is a real reason to want to hear Spotify through a premium DAP instead of iPhone due to the much better DAC and amp. There is a gigantic difference in sound between the iPhone and a premium DAP and it isn't due to higher bit rates. It is from the DAC and amp.

 

And sure, I could run the signal through an external DAC but the point is PORTABILITY. Why would I want to have two or three devices taped together when the point is to have it being as portable as possible?

 

Just because it might not be something you care about doesn't mean it isn't something a lot of other people would appreciate, because the fact is, it is.

 

Sorry for being snippish but your post was pointlessly catty and obnoxious. 

 

BTW, you don't need a high powered attena to listen to Spotify. When you are a premium subscriber it copies the songs to your player so you can listen to them WITHOUT being on internet. 


Edited by pachoo5 - 5/20/14 at 11:04am
post #264 of 600
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Originally Posted by pachoo5 View Post
 

/rant

 

I'm sorry, but "~320 kbps (only available to Premium subscribers)" is not "ultra high quality" & is a waste of space & power having to have wifi antennas in a high end DAP. What you need is a Fiio E07k connected to your phone, not an X7.

 

If you aren't going to be playing hi-res files, at least as your primary source, then why bother paying that kind of money?

 

If Fiio wants to make 2 versions of the X7, 1 with wifi/bluetooth, & 1 without, then I am all for it. However, adding all of these crap features to a high end player to try to attract the masses when trying to advertise to audiophiles is b.s. At ~$700 it is not going to be a mass market item.

 

/end rant

 

Studies have proven over and over again that our ears can't hear the difference between 192kbs, let alone 320kbps, and raw sound files.

 

And of course I am a premium subscriber so the point about it being only 320kbs for subscribers only is moot.

 

And of course there is a real reason to want to hear Spotify through a premium DAP instead of iPhone due to the much better DAC and amp. There is a gigantic difference in sound between the iPhone and a premium DAP and it isn't due to higher bit rates. It is from the DAC and amp.

 

Just because it might not be something you care about doesn't mean it isn't something a lot of other people would appreciate, because the fact is, it is.

 

Sorry for being snippish but your post was pointlessly catty and obnoxious.

I completely agree. Using a high end dap and Spotify is a great way to discover new music then I can buy the Redbook or dsd version. Highly valuable to me. Tis my opinion.

post #265 of 600
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/rant

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/end rant

 

 

Sorry for being snippish but your post was pointlessly catty and obnoxious. 

 

 

 

While I do stand by my points, sorry to come off as catty & obnoxious. I guess I'm letting my day get the better of me.

post #266 of 600

I interpreted your remark (and agreed with it) from the point of view that an audiophile DAP should be aiming at high resolution playback, rather than catering for technology that doesn't need to be included. There are a hundred or more mobile phones that can handle Spotify.

 

 

 

Would someone walk into a Lamborghini dealership and ask if they can incorporate a rear seat into their flagship sports car, for the kids?

 

No, because it's streamlined (in more than just the aerodynamic sense) to perform a single task to the best ability possible with the currently-available technology.

post #267 of 600
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

I interpreted your remark (and agreed with it) from the point of view that an audiophile DAP should be aiming at high resolution playback, rather than catering for technology that doesn't need to be included. There are a hundred or more mobile phones that can handle Spotify.

 

 

 

Would someone walk into a Lamborghini dealership and ask if they can incorporate a rear seat into their flagship sports car, for the kids?

 

No, because it's streamlined (in more than just the aerodynamic sense) to perform a single task to the best ability possible with the currently-available technology.

Not to rain on your analogy but yes people do ask for more seats in lamborghini's.  There has been over 5 models with 4 seats or more over the years due to demand for this feature.  Here's a recent article on a more modern model.  http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1201_2012_lamborghini_aventador_lp_700_4_test/photo_11.html

 

Your definition of high-end means a dap should just a few things perfectly and they must be the 4 things you want (subjective I know).  Well, I think a high-end DAP should do a lot perfectly.  Being able to listen to common music services is a plus for me.  I hate listening to it on my phone.  It is a low quality DAC, output is low and it gets interrupted by text and phone calls.

 

If you think Fiio is in business for the love of audio only then you are surely misled.  They have a business to run and appealing to more people provides them with more revenue which provides for more profit which provides for growing the business which should also provide for more research & development to make better products.

 

They are not trying to be lower quality.  They are not trying to subplant apple.  They are passionate about features audiophiles want.  All due respect why is having access to spotify and wifi such a bad thing.  You can turn wifi off generally if you are listening to lossless formats locally.

 

If someone listens to spotify they must not be an audiophile I guess. If you are such a purist how do you listen and find new music.  I guess if you listen to spotify on the phone then your audiophile card is now revoked.  If you listen to the radio, card revoked.  If you listen to anything less than DSD or live music in a controlled environment, your audiophile card is now revoked.  Comments like the above are the reason new people sometimes cringe at audiophile elite smugness and we deter new people interested in moving up the quality chain in their listening habits.

 

Please!


Edited by Shenook - 5/20/14 at 3:23pm
post #268 of 600
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...  All due respect why is having access to spotify and wifi such a bad thing.  You can turn wifi off generally if you are listening to lossless formats locally.

 

If someone listens to spotify they must not be an audiophile I guess. If you are such a purist how do you listen and find new music.  I guess if you listen to spotify on the phone then your audiophile card is now revoked.  If you listen to the radio, card revoked.  If you listen to anything less than DSD or live music in a controlled environment, your audiophile card is now revoked.  Comments like the above are the reason new people sometimes cringe at audiophile elite smugness and we deter new people interested in moving up the quality chain in their listening habits...

 

 

I am making no correlation, or trying to imply one, that spotify users aren't/can't be audiophiles.

 

My problem is with adding extra components that will make more demands on an already limited power source, potentially interfere with the audio signal, & increase unit size.

post #269 of 600

Why does objecting to unnecessary additions classify me as 'smug'?

 

Wi-fi does not contribute to the core purpose of a flagship audiophile DAP. It is tertiary.    It so happens that I was one of the first owners of iBasso's DX100 (2nd batch), and very few people used the Wi-fi function, partly because iBasso added it more as an afterthought than a serious feature, and mostly because it was tertiary to the core purpose of the DAP.

 

Even on a mass-produced cellphone, it is widely known that wi-fi guzzles power, and audiophile DAPs already struggle to achieve high performance with worthwhile battery duration, moderate weight, and moderate size. Just take a look at the Calyx-M, which is reported to be managing only 4hrs, and that's with the Wi-fi feature abandoned! In fact, you might ask yourself why the Wi-fi feature was abandoned on this DAP.

 

And who said anything about DSD? Ironically, I've already said in one of the Fiio X7 threads that I don't consider DSD to be necessary.


Edited by Mython - 5/20/14 at 4:23pm
post #270 of 600
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Originally Posted by jbr1971 View Post
 

 

I am making no correlation, or trying to imply one, that spotify users aren't/can't be audiophiles.

 

My problem is with adding extra components that will make more demands on an already limited power source, potentially interfere with the audio signal, & increase unit size.

This thread has implications that Spotify is low quality not related to your comments individually. While I understand he extra components and size concern WiFi can be turned off and while in off state quality should not be affected. I would not listen to a lossless file and have WiFi on. Keep in mind portables can be used at work and in cars with other power sources and the battery used for true mobile application. But with WiFi off there is no additional power drain. Size on the other hand you have a good point but I am one of those bad consumers who thi k a 17" laptop with discrete graphics and 15 pounds is the best performing portable computer. When you step back it really is. On the other hand what one considers "portable" is different between maybe you and me. I know mython teamed me for proposing best performance over size earlier in this thread.

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