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This will give me the exact same setup as Spiral Out, you better be telling the truth about the gear! :D

Everything I said was all lies!! I'm trying to drag you into the same living hell that is listening to my current setup. I want to spread my misery to every corner of the globe, starting with Sweden :D

 

Seriously though, I'm really glad you found my advice so helpful :dt880smile: I am truly happy with this current system. Happier then I have been with any audio system I have ever had. I usually find myself listening to music more than anything else for relaxation, usually a few hours a day. I have never been so compelled to listen to music. 

 

The DT880 does movies well. The sound signature and sound stage of the DT880s lends itself to movies. Their comfort also makes it very easy to wear them for hours on end. I don't watch a lot of movies, but when I do it is usually through speakers. I have a hard time giving a movie my complete attention. I like to get up and do things while the movie is playing. I don't have this problem with music, I can sit and listen to music for hours without getting up. Weird :blink:

 

The O2 is a very nice amp also. You may be very happy with it paired with the DT880. It is transparent, there is no coloration of sound. What you put into the O2 is what you get out. The Vali is going to color the sound of the DT880, but in my opinion it colors the sound in a very beneficial way. I could not be happier with the DT880 + Vali combo.


Edited by Spiral Out - 4/6/14 at 5:44pm
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Everything I said was all lies!! I'm trying to drag you into the same living hell that is listening to my current setup. I want to spread my misery to every corner of the globe, starting with Sweden :D

 

Seriously though, I'm really glad you found my advice so helpful :dt880smile: I am truly happy with this current system. Happier then I have been with any audio system I have ever had. I usually find myself listening to music more than anything else for relaxation, usually a few hours a day. I have never been so compelled to listen to music. 

 

The DT880 does movies well. The sound signature and sound stage of the DT880s lends itself to movies. Their comfort also makes it very easy to wear them for hours on end. I don't watch a lot of movies, but when I do it is usually through speakers. I have a hard time giving a movie my complete attention. I like to get up and do things while the movie is playing. I don't have this problem with music, I can sit and listen to music for hours without getting up. Weird :blink:

 

The O2 is a very nice amp also. You may be very happy with it paired with the DT880. It is transparent, there is no coloration of sound. What you put into the O2 is what you get out. The Vali is going to color the sound of the DT880, but in my opinion it colors the sound in a very beneficial way. I could not be happier with the DT880 + Vali combo.

 

Well, You've certainly made me crave the Vali too much to skip it... How do you connect the ODAC to the Vali? Does your ODAC have RCA outputs? The ODAC I can order from HeadnHifi (to get rid of the custom fee) only has a 3.5 output, is there any solution for this? Also, do you have the premium or pro version? 

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I have the RCA output version but the 3.5 mm version is supposed to work just as well. You could either get an adaptor or a pre-made cable with 3.5 to rca to make it work. I went with the RCA because I had a decent set of interconnects I wanted to use with the system.

 

I got the Pro version of the DT880s. There are only a couple of differences between the pro and premium. The pro has a slightly higher clamping force and a coiled cable. The premium has a straight cable and a slightly different aesthetic. Sonically they are identical. The clamping force of the pro many give it a little more bass. But beyond that they sound identical.

 

In the US the pro is generally $150 cheaper than the premium. That made it an easy choice for me :dt880smile:

post #19 of 29
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I have the RCA output version but the 3.5 mm version is supposed to work just as well. You could either get an adaptor or a pre-made cable with 3.5 to rca to make it work. I went with the RCA because I had a decent set of interconnects I wanted to use with the system.

 

I got the Pro version of the DT880s. There are only a couple of differences between the pro and premium. The pro has a slightly higher clamping force and a coiled cable. The premium has a straight cable and a slightly different aesthetic. Sonically they are identical. The clamping force of the pro many give it a little more bass. But beyond that they sound identical.

 

In the US the pro is generally $150 cheaper than the premium. That made it an easy choice for me :dt880smile:

Thanks for your reply, insanely quick as usual... ;) I've ordered everything, finally! I couldn't help myself so I went with the most expensive options, Modi + Vali! Hello custom fees and taxes! I chose the premium version of the DT880, mostly because it was available in convenient store but also because I'm not a very big fan of a coiled cable. Everything went for around 850$. Needles to say my wallet isn't feeling very well as of this moment. Im sure it's worth the cost though!

 

Thanks to everyone for the superb advices I've been given!

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Awesome! Come back and post your impressions smily_headphones1.gif
post #21 of 29
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Thanks for your reply, insanely quick as usual... ;) I've ordered everything, finally! I couldn't help myself so I went with the most expensive options, Modi + Vali! Hello custom fees and taxes! I chose the premium version of the DT880, mostly because it was available in convenient store but also because I'm not a very big fan of a coiled cable. Everything went for around 850$. Needles to say my wallet isn't feeling very well as of this moment. Im sure it's worth the cost though!

 

Thanks to everyone for the superb advices I've been given!

 

Your Welcome :dt880smile: 

 

Awesome!! I can't wait to hear your impressions once everything arrives! I think you will be very happy! Hopefully it will all arrive quickly!

 

 l feel the same way as you do about the coiled cable.  It's the one thing about the pro's I really don't care for. I would have gone for the premium too if there wasn't such a large price difference here in the US.

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Awesome! Come back and post your impressions smily_headphones1.gif
 

 

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Your Welcome :dt880smile: 

 

Awesome!! I can't wait to hear your impressions once everything arrives! I think you will be very happy! Hopefully it will all arrive quickly!

 

 l feel the same way as you do about the coiled cable.  It's the one thing about the pro's I really don't care for. I would have gone for the premium too if there wasn't such a large price difference here in the US.

The headphones has arrived! I've only listened to them for about an hour but so far I'm pretty pleased. They're indeed the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn, no doubt. The sound quality is very good, especially with male vocals without loud instruments. Fix you with Coldplay sounds amazing. The soundstage is indredible, I was listening to Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch and you can't compare it to a closed headphone. The Audinst MX-1 is too weak too power them tough, I have to use 100% volume to be satisfied... 

 

I was playing around a bit with the EQ in foobar but it gave no effect... I then realized I had not marked "Equalizer enabled" and so I did... without remebering that I did go crazy on the different panels. The voulme was at 100% at that moment and my ears was pierced with a high pitch noise (I cant describe it, imagine the most extreme treble scream) that made me throw the headphones off my head and stop the music. I can't tell any difference in the sound afterwards but I'm still worried that I've damaged the headphones. Can you damage your headphones with the EQ?

 

Greetings Matheew


Edited by Matheew - 4/9/14 at 11:33am
post #23 of 29
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The headphones has arrived! I've only listened to them for about an hour but so far I'm pretty pleased. They're indeed the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn, no doubt. The sound quality is very good, especially with male vocals without loud instruments. Fix you with Coldplay sounds amazing. The soundstage is indredible, I was listening to Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch and you can't compare it to a closed headphone. The Audinst MX-1 is too weak too power them tough, I have to use 100% volume to be satisfied... 

 

I was playing around a bit with the EQ in foobar but it gave no effect... I then realized I had not marked "Equalizer enabled" and so I did... without remebering that I did go crazy on the different panels. The voulme was at 100% at that moment and my ears was pierced with a high pitch noise (I cant describe it, imagine the most extreme treble scream) that made me throw the headphones off my head and stop the music. I can't tell any difference in the sound afterwards but I'm still worried that I've damaged the headphones. Can you damage your headphones with the EQ?

 

Greetings Matheew


That's great that you got your DT880s! They came very fast! When is your amp and dac supposed to arrive?

 

It's good that you decided to go with the Vali as the MX-1 does not seem to have enough power to drive the DT880. I am surprised that you have to turn the volume up so high to get satisfactory results. I thought the MX-1 was fairly powerful.I rarely go past 11 o'clock on the Vali with my DT880s. On music that is mastered at a low level I might go to 1 o'clock but that is rare. On 95% of the music I have I am at 11 o'clock on the nob.

 

I would not worry about damaging the headphones with EQ. If the EQ is causing the signal to the headphones to distort it is possible to cause damage, but it's unlikely unless it is at a very high volume for an extended amount of time. I wouldn't worry about it too much though. They Beyers are tough headphones.

 

I found my DT880s improved greatly after about 100 hours of break in. I'm not sure if I broke in or the headphones, but there was an improvement. I found the same amount of break in time was required for the Vali also.

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That's great that you got your DT880s! They came very fast! When is your amp and dac supposed to arrive?

 

It's good that you decided to go with the Vali as the MX-1 does not seem to have enough power to drive the DT880. I am surprised that you have to turn the volume up so high to get satisfactory results. I thought the MX-1 was fairly powerful.I rarely go past 11 o'clock on the Vali with my DT880s. On music that is mastered at a low level I might go to 1 o'clock but that is rare. On 95% of the music I have I am at 11 o'clock on the nob.

 

I would not worry about damaging the headphones with EQ. If the EQ is causing the signal to the headphones to distort it is possible to cause damage, but it's unlikely unless it is at a very high volume for an extended amount of time. I wouldn't worry about it too much though. They Beyers are tough headphones.

 

I found my DT880s improved greatly after about 100 hours of break in. I'm not sure if I broke in or the headphones, but there was an improvement. I found the same amount of break in time was required for the Vali also.

 Thanks for all the answers, once again... Well, according to Fedex it will arrive April 16 but I fear it may take longer. The shipping alternative was 2-4 days but that felt way to optimistic considering that it will travel across the atlantic... Yes, I was pretty surprised about the MX-1 myself. On the Shure SR940 (I think they're 40 ohm) I had to turn it up to 3 o'clock when I wanted to listen to it really loud (like when I'm digging Iron Maiden :D). But maybe it's just me who is deaf... I hope the Schiit Stack is a bit more powerful tough since I paid some money for it... 

 

I'm pretty certain that the hadphones are fine but it's still in my head that i miiiight have damages them and that they sound wrong during highs but that's just my messed up mind. I did find something else about the headphones that troubles me. When I adjust the left ear pad that metal thingy inside the headphones sort of get a bit stuck and has to get loose with sort of like a snap. There is nothing like it on the other ear pad at all. So if the ear pad is in the wrong position when I put them on and the pads adjust themselves I can hear the snap like a crack. Do you experience anything similar? I worry it might damage the headphones after a period of time. I'm thinking about returning them and get a new one without this problem (if it isn't meant to be like that but I doubt it) and at the same time I'll kill my psychological belief that the EQ messed them up - ha!

 

I did watch The Terminal with Tom Hanks with the headphones and it sure was a pleasant experience. Great soundstage and you forgot you have them on since they're so insanely comfortabe.

 

Thanks again for the support dude, I really appreciate it. 

post #25 of 29
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 Thanks for all the answers, once again... Well, according to Fedex it will arrive April 16 but I fear it may take longer. The shipping alternative was 2-4 days but that felt way to optimistic considering that it will travel across the atlantic... Yes, I was pretty surprised about the MX-1 myself. On the Shure SR940 (I think they're 40 ohm) I had to turn it up to 3 o'clock when I wanted to listen to it really loud (like when I'm digging Iron Maiden :D). But maybe it's just me who is deaf... I hope the Schiit Stack is a bit more powerful tough since I paid some money for it... 

 

I'm pretty certain that the hadphones are fine but it's still in my head that i miiiight have damages them and that they sound wrong during highs but that's just my messed up mind. I did find something else about the headphones that troubles me. When I adjust the left ear pad that metal thingy inside the headphones sort of get a bit stuck and has to get loose with sort of like a snap. There is nothing like it on the other ear pad at all. So if the ear pad is in the wrong position when I put them on and the pads adjust themselves I can hear the snap like a crack. Do you experience anything similar? I worry it might damage the headphones after a period of time. I'm thinking about returning them and get a new one without this problem (if it isn't meant to be like that but I doubt it) and at the same time I'll kill my psychological belief that the EQ messed them up - ha!

 

I did watch The Terminal with Tom Hanks with the headphones and it sure was a pleasant experience. Great soundstage and you forgot you have them on since they're so insanely comfortabe.

 

Thanks again for the support dude, I really appreciate it. 

 

 

 

Waiting for a piece of gear is the worst. Hopefully they will get to you on schedule!

 

I am very certain that the Vali will be more powerful than the MX-1. I never turn mine up past one o'clock for regular listening with the DT880 and am at around eleven o'clock most of the time. I have never turned the Vali up to full volume, It becomes painfully loud at around 2 or 3 o'oclock.

 

I have to put some force into getting mine to adjust the position of the ear cups, but nothing excessive. I can't adjust mine when they are on my head, I have to take them off. I don't think you should hear and loud snaps or cracks when you are adjusting them. Also, if one side is exhibiting strange behavior that is not on the other then there may be a defect. I would definitely consider exchanging them if you have the feeling there is something wrong, better to do it now while you are still within the stores return policy. They are sturdy headphones but like any other product there is a chance of getting a defect.

 

I am glad I could be of help to you! I can't wait to hear what you think when you get the rest of your gear :dt880smile:

post #26 of 29
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 Thanks for all the answers, once again... Well, according to Fedex it will arrive April 16 but I fear it may take longer. The shipping alternative was 2-4 days but that felt way to optimistic considering that it will travel across the atlantic... Yes, I was pretty surprised about the MX-1 myself. On the Shure SR940 (I think they're 40 ohm) I had to turn it up to 3 o'clock when I wanted to listen to it really loud (like when I'm digging Iron Maiden :D). But maybe it's just me who is deaf... I hope the Schiit Stack is a bit more powerful tough since I paid some money for it... 

 

I'm pretty certain that the hadphones are fine but it's still in my head that i miiiight have damages them and that they sound wrong during highs but that's just my messed up mind. I did find something else about the headphones that troubles me. When I adjust the left ear pad that metal thingy inside the headphones sort of get a bit stuck and has to get loose with sort of like a snap. There is nothing like it on the other ear pad at all. So if the ear pad is in the wrong position when I put them on and the pads adjust themselves I can hear the snap like a crack. Do you experience anything similar? I worry it might damage the headphones after a period of time. I'm thinking about returning them and get a new one without this problem (if it isn't meant to be like that but I doubt it) and at the same time I'll kill my psychological belief that the EQ messed them up - ha!

 

I did watch The Terminal with Tom Hanks with the headphones and it sure was a pleasant experience. Great soundstage and you forgot you have them on since they're so insanely comfortabe.

 

Thanks again for the support dude, I really appreciate it. 

Hey Man, Did you get the Vali and Modi yet? I was just listening to "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" and it reminded me that you said your expecting the Vali/Modi on the 16th.

post #27 of 29
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Hey Man, Did you get the Vali and Modi yet? I was just listening to "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" and it reminded me that you said your expecting the Vali/Modi on the 16th.

 

This is my second time trying to post a reply since my computer shut down just before I was done wirting an extensive one. I did recieve my vali and modi, yes. The product are at first glance indeed a nice sight and the build quality is quite superb. I've ony listened to the Vali for a shorter period of time and in all honesty I must say I'm left a bit disappointed. The sound quality is fine but I'd wished for more when it comes to power and espacially the sound stage. The DT880 gave an amazing experience listening to music when I powered them with the MX-1 but the Vali unfortunately narrows the sound stage quite a lot. I did some quick reserching about it and other people experience the same thing with the Vali. It removes the real charm that the DT880 has.

 

In terms of volume I'm simply confuzed. When I listen to songs with prominent sining (such as Adele or Coldplay) I'm pretty satisfied with having the volume knob on 65% (the volume you described as painful...) but when I'm listening to songs and genres with a rougher sound (like Iron Maiden, Volbeat) I could easily turn the volume up to 90-95%. Considering what you said about the sound being painful at 2 o'clock I quickly suspected that the problem lies within my hearing. My hearing is no the best but definitely not the worst so I did have my girlfriend listen to it (she has very good hearing) and while listening to Coldplay she almost turned it up as much as I did. She couldn't handle the highest volumes tough. Schhit did fail to include the EU plug and sent med a power plug designed for the US, which was... useless to me. So I picked up another AC adapter with 15 VAC instead of 16 as the one Schiit includes have and it powered the Vali fine, however it might be the problem why it does lack in power even tough I doubt it. Schiit sent me the correct AC adapter and I got it today. The problem is that I did return the DT880 and now I have no headphones to try it with, AARGH!

 

I am probably a bit hard on the Vali because of the high expectations I had on it, after all it's a 119$ tube amp and it is still a price worthy product. My judgement (unconsciously) is based upon the full price I paid for all the products which is 460$ and that includes the modi (great product), shipping- and customfees (the customs did cost 120$ which is insane). The problem at the moment is that I have no headphones... I enjoyed the DT880 quite alot but I sent it back because of the cracking sounds in the right earpad as I described earlier. I've found a store that has HD650, Fidelio X1 and DT880 and I'll probably order them all and see which one of them I like the most. Sadly enough I' pretty sure I'd prefer the natural sound of HD600 more than the 650 but every swedish store with the 600 does not have the two other models... I'm not 100% on how I will proceed. Perhaps I'll order 650, 600 and X1 and hopefully compare the DT880 from my memory. :P

 

I'm thinking about getting the O2 (I can get it for only 150$ (includes shipping and no custom fees) as well to see if it has some more power to it in terms of volume. I might just fancy the natural sound better as well, especially if I go with the HD600/650. 

 

Wow, the post wasn't meant to be this long but I guess that makes up for being busy and not replying for days. Greetings Matheew


Edited by Matheew - 4/24/14 at 2:26pm
post #28 of 29
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This is my second time trying to post a reply since my computer shut down just before I was done wirting an extensive one. I did recieve my vali and modi, yes. The product are at first glance indeed a nice sight and the build quality is quite superb. I've ony listened to the Vali for a shorter period of time and in all honesty I must say I'm left a bit disappointed. The sound quality is fine but I'd wished for more when it comes to power and espacially the sound stage. The DT880 gave an amazing experience listening to music when I powered them with the MX-1 but the Vali unfortunately narrows the sound stage quite a lot. I did some quick reserching about it and other people experience the same thing with the Vali. It removes the real charm that the DT880 has.

 

In terms of volume I'm simply confuzed. When I listen to songs with prominent sining (such as Adele or Coldplay) I'm pretty satisfied with having the volume knob on 65% (the volume you described as painful...) but when I'm listening to songs and genres with a rougher sound (like Iron Maiden, Volbeat) I could easily turn the volume up to 90-95%. Considering what you said about the sound being painful at 2 o'clock I quickly suspected that the problem lies within my hearing. My hearing is no the best but definitely not the worst so I did have my girlfriend listen to it (she has very good hearing) and while listening to Coldplay she almost turned it up as much as I did. She couldn't handle the highest volumes tough. Schhit did fail to include the EU plug and sent med a power plug designed for the US, which was... useless to me. So I picked up another AC adapter with 15 VAC instead of 16 as the one Schiit includes have and it powered the Vali fine, however it might be the problem why it does lack in power even tough I doubt it. Schiit sent me the correct AC adapter and I got it today. The problem is that I did return the DT880 and now I have no headphones to try it with, AARGH!

 

I am probably a bit hard on the Vali because of the high expectations I had on it, after all it's a 119$ tube amp and it is still a price worthy product. My judgement (unconsciously) is based upon the full price I paid for all the products which is 460$ and that includes the modi (great product), shipping- and customfees (the customs did cost 120$ which is insane). The problem at the moment is that I have no headphones... I enjoyed the DT880 quite alot but I sent it back because of the cracking sounds in the right earpad as I described earlier. I've found a store that has HD650, Fidelio X1 and DT880 and I'll probably order them all and see which one of them I like the most. Sadly enough I' pretty sure I'd prefer the natural sound of HD600 more than the 650 but every swedish store with the 600 does not have the two other models... I'm not 100% on how I will proceed. Perhaps I'll order 650, 600 and X1 and hopefully compare the DT880 from my memory. :P

 

I'm thinking about getting the O2 (I can get it for only 150$ (includes shipping and no custom fees) as well to see if it has some more power to it in terms of volume. I might just fancy the natural sound better as well, especially if I go with the HD600/650. 

 

Wow, the post wasn't meant to be this long but I guess that makes up for being busy and not replying for days. Greetings Matheew

I'm surprised you could stand to listen to the DT880 at 90-95% with the Vali . Did you have the 250 ohm version or the 600 ohm? My hearing is decent but not spectacular. I can't stand to listen to the Vali at 1 o'clock (60%) for more than a few minutes,and that is with lowered mastered non brick walled recordings. Like I said before 50% is about the loudest I can go with most recordings. What media player are you using? Is the volume output of the player set to 100%? Perhaps the lack of power and perceived lack of sound stage is the result of an incorrect AC adapter as you mentioned. That would definitely have a large impact in both power output and sound quality. I feel like you didn't give the Vali/DT880 combo a fair shake by not trying the combo with the correct power supply for the Vali. Schiit says that the correct power supply for the Vali is not common or easy to come by.

 

I found that the Vali took 50 to 60 hours of break in before it started to open up.  This is a pretty common occurrence with tube amps. I was underwhelmed with the Vali at first. I have found it is very hard to judge gear until it has a few hours on it. I know some people do not agree with the concept of break in, but I have noticed quite a change in sound quality in my experience. 


Edited by Spiral Out - 4/24/14 at 5:13pm
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Also if you are considering the O2 because of a perceived lack of power in the Vali, the Vali is the slightly more powerful amplifier. The specs are listed as according to the manufacturers websites:

 

Vali:

 

Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 650mW RMS per channel

Maximum Power, 50 ohms: 550mw RMS per channel

Maximum Power, 300 ohms: 220mW RMS per channel

Maximum Power, 600 ohms: 115mW RMS per channel

 

O2:

 

Max Output 32 ohms: 613mW 

Max Output 150 ohms: 355mW

Max Output 600 ohms:88mW

 

You may need to consider a much higher powered amplifier if you want more volume than the Vali can provide. The O2 will not drive headphones any louder than the Vali.

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