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BIG but tight Bass, forward Mids and non-piercing Treble <300$ ???

post #1 of 18
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Hi guys,

Following your posts I edit my question:

Is there a closed, portable, circumaural headphone with the following sound signature:
- emphased in the mids
- extended and tight bass
- non-disturbing/non-piercing treble (treble can even be a bit shy, a bit hidden, I am really treble sensitive

Would the AKG 545 be one of them?

Thank for your help!


--- Previous ''messy'' question hereunder ---

I need your help on this one. !!! for portable usage, with Sansa Clip+ / but I can upgrade if mandatory !!!

Wanted: circumaural closed headphones with:

1/ BASS: I love bass but only when tight (I was VERY disappointed by the V-moda M-100 for example that sound BOOMING to me, and half that bass quantity would probably be enough for me)

2/ MIDS: I hate the "cup sound effect" but I love forward, detailed Mids (oh yes...)

3/ TREBLE: Non-piercing treble is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY

4/ I like better the Beyerdynamic DT250 pads than the DT770 pads ('cause I wear glasses), so if it is possible to avoid round pads...

5/ I love velour pads

6/ low Ohmage might be better as I will use mainly a portable device

Around 250$ budget, can be less of course... (can also be 300...)

Any ideas?

P.S. What about AKG 550? Sony MDR-1R? Beyerdynamic DT250? old Audio Technica ATH-M50? new Audio Technica ATH-M40x? Do any of these have good mids, big/tight bass and non piercing Treble?

ETITED: AKG 545?
Edited by tussinette - 4/3/14 at 10:08pm
post #2 of 18
May be sennheiser hd-25II or momentum I think momentum will suit you better ...momentumon ear for the velour pads... A small portable amp with it ...but make the amp your last move ..if you decided that you want it
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by Mmet View Post

May be sennheiser hd-25II or momentum I think momentum will suit you better ...momentumon ear for the velour pads... A small portable amp with it ...but make the amp your last move ..if you decided that you want it

 



Hi Mmet and thx for the answer,

I had the Sennheiser hd-25II (bought them a long time ago for monitoring). I step on them about a year ago, and a piece of plastic broke, so I put them in the bin... I didn't know they are so easily fixable.
I was a bit pissed for the lost money but that's all. I liked the sound but these were the most uncomfortable things I ever put on my head...

Thanks to you I see that I forgot to give some details in my first post. I will have a look to see if I can edit it!
post #4 of 18

Except for V-MODAs, most headphones have an intentional peak in the treble. As long as the peak is high enough (closer to 10 kHz) then it shouldn't make music sound too piercing. 

 

How loud do you listen? The V-MODAs were designed by a DJ, and they tend to listen loud and like the big, thumping sound. They don't have a treble peak to avoid serious hearing damage (though listening loud in itself for any length of time is a bad idea). 

 

However, the Sonys are very comfortable, but make sure you get the larger 1Rs. The problem you seem to have run into is, there are two types of headphones: Supra-aural, which sit on your ears, like the HD-25s did, and circumaural, which sit around your ears, like the M100s. The latter are more comfortable. Also, unless you are buying V-MODAs, which are built like a tank, you're going to have to take some care of your headphones so they don't break.

post #5 of 18

I can only think of HD650, but those are open and would require a dedicated amplification..

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by tussinette View Post

1/ BASS: I love bass but only when tight (I was VERY disappointed by the V-moda M-100 for example that sound BOOMING to me, and half that bass quantity would probably be enough for me)

2/ MIDS: I hate the "cup sound effect" but I love forward, detailed Mids (oh yes...)

.... Do any of these have good treble, big/tight bass and non piercing Treble?

What you are looking for really doesn't exist. Big bass means it has to have more emphasis than something else--it has to contrast with some other part of the frequency spectrum. That usually means some part (or all) of the mids. Perhaps you are looking for deep bass extension?

AKG 550s have good bass extension, though not emphasized, with good mids. Some people find the treble a little harsh; others don't.

You can do better than ATH-M50s with your budget.
post #7 of 18

It does sound as if you simply want more of everything. If that's case, maybe get something neutral or with a little bass and EQ it?

 

You might want to look into HP50 if this chart is accurate. Although the bass starts higher than M100, the mids are less recessed and whole looks more balanced.

 

 

 

You might also consider modding a Tx0RP yourself to obtain the sound you want, if you have the patience to work at it.

 

I don't think the treble peak common at 9 kHz is intentional. My understanding is that it's hard to avoid because of the structure of our ears.

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

Except for V-MODAs, most headphones have an intentional peak in the treble. As long as the peak is high enough (closer to 10 kHz) then it shouldn't make music sound too piercing. 

 

How loud do you listen? The V-MODAs were designed by a DJ, and they tend to listen loud and like the big, thumping sound. They don't have a treble peak to avoid serious hearing damage (though listening loud in itself for any length of time is a bad idea). 

 

However, the Sonys are very comfortable, but make sure you get the larger 1Rs. The problem you seem to have run into is, there are two types of headphones: Supra-aural, which sit on your ears, like the HD-25s did, and circumaural, which sit around your ears, like the M100s. The latter are more comfortable. Also, unless you are buying V-MODAs, which are built like a tank, you're going to have to take some care of your headphones so they don't break.

Hi Currawong and thanks for your answer. I was disappointed by the M100 as I found the base booming and overemphased. I would like to try the M80 but they are not available in my country..:(

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


What you are looking for really doesn't exist. Big bass means it has to have more emphasis than something else--it has to contrast with some other part of the frequency spectrum. That usually means some part (or all) of the mids. Perhaps you are looking for deep bass extension?

AKG 550s have good bass extension, though not emphasized, with good mids. Some people find the treble a little harsh; others don't.

You can do better than ATH-M50s with your budget.

Hi cel4145. My mistake, I meant '' Do any of these have good mids, big/tight bass and non piercing Treble?''

 

I am still new to the headphones world and therefore do not master the terminology well. I think that what I am looking for can be defined as:

- emphased in the mids

- extended and tight bass

- non-disturbing/non-piercing treble (treble can even be a bit shy, a bit hidden, I am really treble sensitive)

 

I don't think any of this goes against another. Do you know the AKG 545? Do you think it would fit?

post #10 of 18
I have not heard them, all though I would certainly bet my money that they will not have as much bass emphasis as the M100s--that's the M100 signature sound.

According to the measurements in this review, the K545 should have more prominent mids with the bass rolling off more sharply under 40hz than the K550. Headphone measurements are kind of weird things where they don't always reveal exactly what people hear (more of rough estimate). Here's a review of the K545: http://stereos.about.com/od/Headphone-Reviews/ss/AKG-K545-Headphone-Measurements_2.htm
Edited by cel4145 - 4/3/14 at 10:10pm
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

It does sound as if you simply want more of everything. If that's case, maybe get something neutral or with a little bass and EQ it?

 

You might want to look into HP50 if this chart is accurate. Although the bass starts higher than M100, the mids are less recessed and whole looks more balanced.

 

 

 

You might also consider modding a Tx0RP yourself to obtain the sound you want, if you have the patience to work at it.

 

I don't think the treble peak common at 9 kHz is intentional. My understanding is that it's hard to avoid because of the structure of our ears.

Hi Claritas. You are a bit too technical for me I am afraid. I am a newby and I newer heard of Tx0RP :bigsmile_face: I indeed have no issue using EQ. I have a Sony XB500, I like bass but there are limits, so yes, I used EQ so far...

 

As I wrote in an answer to a previous post, I don't think I am looking for something impossible as the caracteristics I look for don't go against each other:

- emphased in the mids

- extended and tight bass

- non-disturbing/non-piercing treble (treble can even be a bit shy, a bit hidden, I am really treble sensitive)

 

Do you know the AKG 545? Would it correspond to my wishes? I can't find a shop to try it over here (well I could go to Austria for the weekend, I should find it there as AKG is Austrian I believe...)

post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 

@cel4145

 

Thanks for the measurements, that really nice. Well, now I need to learnd to read this :-) I will Google the question and get educated!

 

THX once more.

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by tussinette View Post
 

Hi Claritas. You are a bit too technical for me I am afraid. I am a newby and I newer heard of Tx0RP :bigsmile_face: I indeed have no issue using EQ. I have a Sony XB500, I like bass but there are limits, so yes, I used EQ so far...

 

As I wrote in an answer to a previous post, I don't think I am looking for something impossible as the characteristics I look for don't go against each other:

- emphased in the mids

- extended and tight bass

- non-disturbing/non-piercing treble (treble can even be a bit shy, a bit hidden, I am really treble sensitive)

 

Do you know the AKG 545? Would it correspond to my wishes? I can't find a shop to try it over here (well I could go to Austria for the weekend, I should find it there as AKG is Austrian I believe...)

 

Sorry, all I meant was any of the cheaper models in the Fostex RP series (T20RP, T40RP, T50RP).

 

I haven't heard K545 yet. I still think you should look into HP50. If the chart is accurate, it will have the elevated bass you want (and probably pretty good too, given its reputation) along with better mids than M100, and not piercing in the treble. You'd need to ask a some fellows who've tried it. I am a little concerned though that the bass might be too much, so ask about that in particular.


Edited by Claritas - 4/3/14 at 10:15pm
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by tussinette View Post

@cel4145

Thanks for the measurements, that really nice. Well, now I need to learnd to read this :-) I will Google the question and get educated!

THX once more.

In case this helps, this chart will help you to understand which instruments cover which frequencies: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

Then with those frequency charts, you read the difference in db relative to other frequencies (db is a measure of volume increase or decrease).
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post



In case this helps, this chart will help you to understand which instruments cover which frequencies: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm



Then with those frequency charts, you read the difference in db relative to other frequencies (db is a measure of volume increase or decrease).

 



Holly Molly, this chart is as busy as my bedroom when I was in my 20's ;-)

I see that there is nothing above 20k, the Sony mdr-1R goes to 80k! Headphones for dolphins?!
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