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post #841 of 3442
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

I answered this already.   Have you considered the distance between the violin and the mike vs the listener and the mike, and factored that in when comparing the fall-off in SPL of the reflected sounds?

 

 

Umm, ok.  I am not sure how an arbitrary preference is somehow comparable to a preference based on how something sounds in an actual concert, but if you think these 2 things are comparable, then i dont really know what to say.

 

ETA:  I have stated why I think some people might prefer the additional decay.   It should be blindingly obvious to anyone that this is not meant as a universal truth but an explanation for a preference, and that there is no real "right" when it comes to subjective preferences (and let's be clear about something - the end game for most people is finding a sound that they like - not a sound that they can measurbate over).

 

You're trying to sell that the room it's in doesn't really affect the recording when in fact it's crucial.

 

You're also trying to sell that either everybody listens in concert halls (zing!) or that if some people listen in crappy rooms and like it like that, we should care about it.

 

What's next, speakers designed for crap rooms? Neat! :P

 

As far as the Oppo PM1 headphones are concerned, I'll wait for the fat lady to sing. :)


Edited by eugenius - 4/18/14 at 8:34am
post #842 of 3442

PM...

 

Sound Science forum....

 

Spooning in the morning....

 

All sorts of avenues to argue about acoustic theory.

 

So, about those headphones...?

post #843 of 3442
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Originally Posted by eugenius View Post
 

 

You're trying to sell that the room it's in doesn't affect the recording when in fact it's crucial.

 

You're also trying to sell that either everybody listens in concert halls (zing!) or that if some people listen in crappy rooms and like it like that, we should care about it.

 

What's next, speakers designed for crap rooms? Neat! :P

 

You really need to read for comprehension, and/or stop setting up strawmen.    I am not trying to sell anything - you listen to whatever the heck floats your boat, it doesnt matter one bit to me.  What you or anyone else here cares about is very, very low on my radar.

 

The question to which i made my post was WHY some people might prefer decay - not whether you or anyone else should care about it.    Do you see the distinction?

 

I didnt say that the room doesnt affect the recording - re-read what I wrote.  I said the effect of the room in a recording can be lot less than the effect of the room on the listener in a typical concert hall (and i explained why).      Do you see the distinction?

 

Just b/c I mentioned that *I* use the live sound of a concert as a reference doesnt mean you have to.  But by the same token, just b/c you think that the reproducing the recorded sound perfectly is the holy grail doesnt mean I do.   But... this is the important bit, so do pay attention - it is ok for us to have different viewpoints.   There are enough audio products to suit each our needs.   Just b/c I stated that some people have a preference doesnt mean that it is something you HAVE to adopt.   Do you see the distinction?

 

I'll reiterate, in bold this time, so that we can stop going off on this detour:   my post was in response to why some people might prefer the measured decay.  It is an explanation of preference, nothing else.  If you disagree, that's fine - you dont have to have the same preference.  But please extend the same courtesy to others, and dont presume to tell others what sort of sound reproduction they SHOULD like.

 

Now, can we go back to the specifics of the PM1s?


Edited by vkalia - 4/18/14 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

I'm confused - I thought olegausany was saying that the PM-1 is more comfortable - that he can't tolerate the LCD-X for longer than 30 seconds. 

 

Waiting for his next post.

 

:popcorn:

Sorry if it's wasn't clear but i mean that PM-1 are very comfortable and you can easily forget that you have them on while i can have LCDs for just 30 seconds only so see no reason to pay extra $700 for the pain on my head which gives no improvement in sound quality. But because of discomfort of LCD was unable to compare soundstage
post #845 of 3442

Guys, please stop the sound science argument. This thread has been on the brink of being locked a number of times because of various discussions that should be handled via PM or the sound science forum. Your rants are detracting from the overall conversation, which is about the PM-1, not recording rooms. You're a threat to the integrity and continued existence of this thread, and you make it harder for others to find information about the PM-1.

post #846 of 3442
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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post


Sorry if it's wasn't clear but i mean that PM-1 are very comfortable and you can easily forget that you have them on while i can have LCDs for just 30 seconds only so see no reason to pay extra $700 for the pain on my head which gives no improvement in sound quality. But because of discomfort of LCD was unable to compare soundstage

Ok that makes sense now. The Audezes are on the heavy side and can be a bit uncomfortable. However, I like to know the SQ comparisons first. Then the weight and comfort will factor in later when the final decision has to be made.

post #847 of 3442
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

I dont mean any offense with this blunt-sounding statement, but:

1/ All tests indicate that the headphones ARE indeed 102dB/mW efficient

2/ Oppo has a bunch of presumably very smart engineers who know enough about sound and science to design this breakthrough product, who are making this claim

3/ If they can design this product, it should be a fairly simple matter for them to measure its efficiency, dont you think?   

 

Given all this, what makes you think that they are wrong and you are correct?    I mean, it is ok to have doubts - but at some point, you need to have some basis for supporting them, right?    

 

I'mdon't have any bound about Oppo, but what i think is that is their first headphone they launched and Oppo being a a new company out there, they make have found some problems during mass production of this headphone and them, ended not being so efficient as their first claims, but it's just a theory overall, we never gonna know, but i'm sure Oppo can make something really good an can't wait for the PM-2.

post #848 of 3442
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post
 

Guys, please stop the sound science argument. This thread has been on the brink of being locked a number of times because of various discussions that should be handled via PM or the sound science forum. Your rants are detracting from the overall conversation, which is about the PM-1, not recording rooms. You're a threat to the integrity and continued existence of this thread, and you make it harder for others to find information about the PM-1.

 

It's okay, I should have a review in a week or so where people can also discuss it and get it locked =D

 

On the real though, I just finished my review section for the velour pads, leather pads next. I won't be able to do any listening until Monday though. 

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Alas, you are not the fat lady. :)

post #850 of 3442
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post

Guys, please stop the sound science argument. This thread has been on the brink of being locked a number of times because of various discussions that should be handled via PM or the sound science forum. Your rants are detracting from the overall conversation, which is about the PM-1, not recording rooms. You're a threat to the integrity and continued existence of this thread, and you make it harder for others to find information about the PM-1.


 



My apologies. I will stop.

My pair is still out for delivery and I guess I am obsessing about them a little while i wait smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by vkalia - 4/18/14 at 9:51am
post #851 of 3442
Hey guys I have to totally retract my comparison of the Oppo to the hd800 as I was incorrectly using the stock cable for the hd800. .
I know there are some that do not believe but until you listen with your own ears like me you will never know..
Stock cable suks.

Upgrading cable to a Cardas cable, improves impression of hd800 to be very clear. Great reference to compare Oppo.

Oppo are still the smoother & less sound stage yet with very palpable instrument detail/separation.
More involving.

I need to compare these to the he560...

I wear the oppo on the go outside because I cannot get enough of their addictive sound.
smily_headphones1.gif

Low profile is about same as my ultrasone ed8..
Edited by Maxx134 - 4/18/14 at 10:27am
post #852 of 3442
I shouldn't say smoother, it really an organic naturalness about the midrange and the trebles are all there without sibilance
post #853 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Hey guys I have to totally retract my comparison of the Oppo to the hd800 as I was incorrectly using the stock cable for the hd800. .
I know there are some that do not believe but until you listen with your own ears like me you will never know..
Stock cable suks.

Upgrading cable to a Cardas cable, improves impression of hd800 to be very clear. Great reference to compare Oppo.

Oppo are still the smoother & less sound stage yet with very palpable instrument detail/separation.
More involving.

I need to compare these to the he560...

I wear the oppo on the go outside because I cannot get enough of their addictive sound.
smily_headphones1.gif

Low profile is about same as my ultrasone ed8..

Yes they better ship them soon biggrin.gif
post #854 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

smily_headphones1.gif

Does the sound change much when the cups are covered like in your pic? My LCD-2 sounds terrible when I barely cover them.
post #855 of 3442
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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post


Sorry if it's wasn't clear but i mean that PM-1 are very comfortable and you can easily forget that you have them on while i can have LCDs for just 30 seconds only so see no reason to pay extra $700 for the pain on my head which gives no improvement in sound quality. But because of discomfort of LCD was unable to compare soundstage

 

Thanks for this ^ clarification!  

 

Mike

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