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post #406 of 3442

So is it confirmed that the PM-2 is going to be pretty much the exact same audio performance (not just "similar") but without the cosmetic extras?

 

Looking at the choice of words, it is hard to say for sure.

post #407 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Harris View Post
 

Hi,

 

This is what I wrote in response to a question from Headphoner on the Oppo HA-1 thread about the sound of the PM-1. Guess I should stick to this one.

 

Anyway...

 

Harris

 

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Hello Headphoner!

 

So, I'd like to clear up something that is bothering me. A few folks on these threads said the box the Oppo's come in is plastic, and it is not plastic. It is wood veneer, over MDF, then finished to a high degree.

 

I know it wasn't your question, but I thought I'd set the record straight.

 

I do think the Oppo's sound very open and airy. I have a set of some old, classic Sony DDR-Z6 headphones, which are very accurate, but I always thought.. hey, the music sounds like it's coming from the headphones, which is to say I always thought I could hear the distance from my ears to the drivers, which wasn't very far. So, while accurate, I never could really fall in love with them. 

 

The opposite is true for the Oppo's which feel are very open, with little sense that the music is coming from a inch or so from your ears. That is one thing that I was excited about, was that sense of openness. I have been listening to some of the new Audio-Technica headphones, and even though I was comparing very expensive, closed back limited edition wood models, I somehow found the sound of their less expensive open ear designs more airy, not just because of the design, but I think that for whatever reason the sound was less physically placed to the actual drivers.

 

The Oppo's are like this as well, but to a higher degree. One thing I do find myself noticing about the Oppo's is the transient response, jeez.. they are fast. Subtle cymbal crashes, fast decays, guitar strings, all of those have a wonderful delicacy about them on the Oppo's. 

 

Isolation, ok. that is one I hadn't been concentrating on. But, yes, when I was on the couch, with my wife and family near me listening to TV, they could hear what I was listening to, but not as much as the AT's for example. With them on, but with no music playing, I could easily hear the TV, room, etc. so I don't think they block out that much ambient noise, but with their design, I don't think I ever expected that from an open-ear design.

 

You know I've always thought that headphones and earphones are always in constant battle with ambient noise. I was in college when I heard the first decent open-air headphones for the first time that sounded good, and yes, they were German with bright yellow earpads. I had a set of Koss Pro-4AA's, complete with the little knob to attach a microphone, and they were heavy, gave me a headache, but sounded great given the right electronics, but the sound was always inside me, and those fluffy yellow units, amazed me.. simply astounding at the time. And yes, the bass wasn't as dynamic, as rich, but they were pretty darn close, and the highs and mid-tones were open, so, I was clued in pretty quickly as to the compromises between a closed design with its presumption of better bass, and the more open sound of open-ear models. I've heard some legendary headphones in the years since then, but I can honestly say that the Opoo PM-1 gives them more than a run for the money. I think they are probably the best headphones I've heard, that are actually (ok, not for many folks, but compared to some...) affordable, and I'm curious to hear what the PM-2s will sound like.

 

I did read some cynical comments concerning the new HA-1 that I don't think are justified. There are lots of great headphone amps out there, from inexpensive to crazy, and after spending time with Oppo talking about the motivation for the new amp, I think they wouldn't have done it had they not had something new to bring to the table, and I think they have. The unit isn't competing with the Sony's that have lots of signal processing, hard drives, and more. This is a amp and DAC, that still needs a computer to run, is very flexible, it will work with any software you can think of, and is a no-compromise solution, so I'm as excited as anyone to try it out, and I'm not sure if it was "tuned" to respond best to the Oppo PM-1s, but my hunch is that was developed as its own product. 

 

I hope this answers your question.

 

Harris

 

P.S. I too wear glasses and have no problems with them, they are very comfortable. Also, if you have used the AT designs with the wings, on me those phones slip down a bit, I guess my head is a bit narrow, but with the PM-1 models, they fit perfectly, and both sets of pads are very soft, just the right degree of firmness, but not fatiguing. If only my pillows felt that good! I'd never get out of bed!

 


Thanks for such a detailed response.  Very useful information.

post #408 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Harris View Post
 

Hi,

 

This is what I wrote in response to a question from Headphoner on the Oppo HA-1 thread about the sound of the PM-1. Guess I should stick to this one.

 

Anyway...

 

Harris

 

------------

 

Hello Headphoner!

 

So, I'd like to clear up something that is bothering me. A few folks on these threads said the box the Oppo's come in is plastic, and it is not plastic. It is wood veneer, over MDF, then finished to a high degree.

 

I know it wasn't your question, but I thought I'd set the record straight.

 

I do think the Oppo's sound very open and airy. I have a set of some old, classic Sony DDR-Z6 headphones, which are very accurate, but I always thought.. hey, the music sounds like it's coming from the headphones, which is to say I always thought I could hear the distance from my ears to the drivers, which wasn't very far. So, while accurate, I never could really fall in love with them.

 

The opposite is true for the Oppo's which feel are very open, with little sense that the music is coming from a inch or so from your ears. That is one thing that I was excited about, was that sense of openness. I have been listening to some of the new Audio-Technica headphones, and even though I was comparing very expensive, closed back limited edition wood models, I somehow found the sound of their less expensive open ear designs more airy, not just because of the design, but I think that for whatever reason the sound was less physically placed to the actual drivers.

 

The Oppo's are like this as well, but to a higher degree. One thing I do find myself noticing about the Oppo's is the transient response, jeez.. they are fast. Subtle cymbal crashes, fast decays, guitar strings, all of those have a wonderful delicacy about them on the Oppo's.

 

Isolation, ok. that is one I hadn't been concentrating on. But, yes, when I was on the couch, with my wife and family near me listening to TV, they could hear what I was listening to, but not as much as the AT's for example. With them on, but with no music playing, I could easily hear the TV, room, etc. so I don't think they block out that much ambient noise, but with their design, I don't think I ever expected that from an open-ear design.

 

You know I've always thought that headphones and earphones are always in constant battle with ambient noise. I was in college when I heard the first decent open-air headphones for the first time that sounded good, and yes, they were German with bright yellow earpads. I had a set of Koss Pro-4AA's, complete with the little knob to attach a microphone, and they were heavy, gave me a headache, but sounded great given the right electronics, but the sound was always inside me, and those fluffy yellow units, amazed me.. simply astounding at the time. And yes, the bass wasn't as dynamic, as rich, but they were pretty darn close, and the highs and mid-tones were open, so, I was clued in pretty quickly as to the compromises between a closed design with its presumption of better bass, and the more open sound of open-ear models. I've heard some legendary headphones in the years since then, but I can honestly say that the Opoo PM-1 gives them more than a run for the money. I think they are probably the best headphones I've heard, that are actually (ok, not for many folks, but compared to some...) affordable, and I'm curious to hear what the PM-2s will sound like.

 

I did read some cynical comments concerning the new HA-1 that I don't think are justified. There are lots of great headphone amps out there, from inexpensive to crazy, and after spending time with Oppo talking about the motivation for the new amp, I think they wouldn't have done it had they not had something new to bring to the table, and I think they have. The unit isn't competing with the Sony's that have lots of signal processing, hard drives, and more. This is a amp and DAC, that still needs a computer to run, is very flexible, it will work with any software you can think of, and is a no-compromise solution, so I'm as excited as anyone to try it out, and I'm not sure if it was "tuned" to respond best to the Oppo PM-1s, but my hunch is that was developed as its own product.

 

I hope this answers your question.

 

Harris

 

P.S. I too wear glasses and have no problems with them, they are very comfortable. Also, if you have used the AT designs with the wings, on me those phones slip down a bit, I guess my head is a bit narrow, but with the PM-1 models, they fit perfectly, and both sets of pads are very soft, just the right degree of firmness, but not fatiguing. If only my pillows felt that good! I'd never get out of bed!

 

 

Finally, some useful information about the sonics of the Oppo. Thank you for posting that.

 

I must say though, the earpads don't look like those one would expect on a $1100 headphone.

post #409 of 3442
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Originally Posted by logam View Post

Simply beautiful, if it presents music the same way it presents itself it will be amazing.


It is....but consumers are paying unnecessary extra costs, for extravagant needless packaging !!

post #410 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

 

Finally, some useful information about the sonics of the Oppo. Thank you for posting that.

 

I must say though, the earpads don't look like those one would expect on a $1100 headphone.

I dunno..have you seen the HE-6's pads?

post #411 of 3442

Yeah, there's another example...you'd figure that with all the R & D, they could design some durable, well constructed earpads.

post #412 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Rob49 View Post


...but consumers are paying unnecessary extra costs, for extravagant needless packaging !!

I have to agree . That case is stunning, but now that Ive had the pelican case that Audeze includes, and Ive used it to safeguard my Xs when leaving the house, I just dont see the shiny box as a selling point. I know they include the denim bag, but still not the same.

I do think some PM-2s may hit the mark for me in a couple months though .
post #413 of 3442
My two cents,
With my limited time, at NY headfi meet.
My impression is I would place the pm1 around the level of the he6,
But my personal tastes I consider the LCD x the best.
post #414 of 3442
Bigshot, very surprised to hear the velours pads don't make any noticeable difference on the sound. Normally, you'd expect quite a bit of attenuation from the mids up when using velours pads.

Mayne the screens are quite different between leather and velour models?

Or the velours pads are actually impermeable (the velour is on top of a pleather kind of impervious fabric)? I wouldn't expect so as it must get very sweaty though.

Last possibility is the fact the leather pad isn't actually impervious but made of perforated leather (so it behaves acoustically somewhere between the traditional sealed leather and a porous velours pad).

Otherwise, those latest pics are stunning, it looks very very well made and packaged (I expect they can retain the important design aspects and shave a whole lot of cost in the pm2 without the fancy box and all).

Arnaud
post #415 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

My two cents,
With my limited time, at NY headfi meet.
My impression is I would place the pm1 around the level of the he6,
But my personal tastes I consider the LCD x the best.

 

Thank you for that perspective..

post #416 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Rob49 View Post
 


It is....but consumers are paying unnecessary extra costs, for extravagant needless packaging !!

I don't need it, but I want it.  I've worked hard, saved a substantial part of my earnings over the years, and my retirement is very well planned.  I'm kinda looking for extravagant right now, and I'm pretty sure I may be in the minority, but I'm also sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

post #417 of 3442
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

I don't need it, but I want it.  I've worked hard, saved a substantial part of my earnings over the years, and my retirement is very well planned.  I'm kinda looking for extravagant right now, and I'm pretty sure I may be in the minority, but I'm also sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.


Don't get me wrong, I love the quality of Oppo products, and the packaging says a lot about how they "think about every detail", but as I said, I just feel that this is an added cost to the consumer that isn't needed. As nice as the box looks, it serves no real purpose, especially given the fact that a carrying case is supplied.


Edited by Rob49 - 4/9/14 at 7:03am
post #418 of 3442
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post

I don't need it, but I want it.  I've worked hard, saved a substantial part of my earnings over the years, and my retirement is very well planned.  I'm kinda looking for extravagant right now, and I'm pretty sure I may be in the minority, but I'm also sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Exactly..
Knowing there is a "better" version of quality feel,
And knowing you have the "cheaper" compromised version of it, will keep that upgrade itch in your mind..
post #419 of 3442
Thanks for all the impression, so many choices when it comes to quailty headphones. I guess there is a long line of people waiting to purchase these headphones. The website says put your email address in and Oppo will contact you when some are in stock. Hurry up Oppo I want one, and I'm like a little kid I may change my mind in an hour
post #420 of 3442

I'd be happy to get them with just that denim box. Not bothered about a lovely shiny box, just the sound!

$899 sans box?

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