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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
 

For those interested my review is herehttp://thehighfidelityreport.com/oppo-pm-1-planar-technology-comes-of-age-2/

 

Thanks, great review!

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Thank you- appreciate that


Edited by Frank I - 5/20/14 at 6:29pm
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Thanks for the review Frank!! Job well done as always. I owe you for giving me a heads up on the Doug McLeod. It's one of my favorites now and Black Nights is also one of my test tracks. 

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Thanks Matt and glad you liked the recommendation and your for me on Natalie Merchant newalbum and countless others.

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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

The reason I, atleast, am comparing them to the HD650s is b/c I find their sound signatures to be quite similar.     The PM1s do a few things better, the HD650s a few others.

 

IMO, the PM1s dont play in the same league as the LCD2s.    Not even  close.   YMMV and that is cool - that's why we all have a choice of what to buy.

 

Strange outcomes. There have been quite a few reviews now, with reviewers saying the the PM1's out-perform the HD650's in all respects and are on a par with the LCD2 v2 (although different flavour). While others, like yourself are hearing very different outcomes.

Guess there will be many more reviews, as it seems these HPs are going to be extremely popular, and therefore better clarification and consistency will develop about how to get the best from the PM1's - or not!

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Originally Posted by xp9433 View Post
 

 

Strange outcomes. There have been quite a few reviews now, with reviewers saying the the PM1's out-perform the HD650's in all respects and are on a par with the LCD2 v2 (although different flavour). While others, like yourself are hearing very different outcomes.

Guess there will be many more reviews, as it seems these HPs are going to be extremely popular, and therefore better clarification and consistency will develop about how to get the best from the PM1's - or not!

 

Some of it is different expectations,  some of it is listener bias & some are a few naked emperors (on both ends of the scale).    The hard part is always separating the signal from the noise, isnt it?  :)

 

IMO, a general statement like "these are comparable to LCD2s" or "these are not comparable to LCD2s" is fairly meaningless.   In my case, I've written my straight-up thoughts about these headphones as well as a comparison to the HD650 and HE500s, and explained what I prefer about each.   People who feel differently have also explained why.   For the most part, there is an agreement on the actual signature of the headphones (barring a few outliers) - a larger part of the difference comes from the evaluation.   He finds it rolled-off, I find it natural;   I find it polite, he finds it balanced.   And so on. 

 

FWIW, I read a comment from Tyll on Inner Fidelity that these are a very good headphone but not a gamechanger - i kinda agree with that.      

 

What I said to someone via PM is - the PM1s are $700 headphones (PM2) dolled up in fancy exteriors.   Which is cool (Oppo made no secret of that going in).    And the PM2s are $500 headphones with a $200 premium for reduced weight/increased comfort/increased portability (and that is also cool - that's why I bought them and will keep them.   If they were the same  form factor as the LCD2s, they'd go back).   

 

But ultimately, it really depends on your own preferences.   People swear by B&W speakers - and I have not seen one I'd ever want to own.   Not even a Nautilus.   

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The PM-1 Planar headphone by Oppo - Headfonics

Posted May 20, 2014 by Michael Piskor (24bit) in The Sound Bar

 

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Direct Comparisons

PM-1 Vs the Audeze LCD-2 Rev2:

The LCD2 is the closest headphone that the PM-1 can compare to with regard to pure sonic clarity. To me, the PM-1 is a more comfortable side step or alternative for anyone interested in buying the Audeze LCD-2. There are a few differences of course. The Audeze has a more raw and pure bass, pristine in execution and lightning fast, where as the PM-1 has a slower and more loose but weighty texture. The Audeze midrange sounds a bit more distant and the treble is dry and less colored, the PM-1 midrange is more vibrant, thick sounding and intimate with more obviously colored treble response.

PM-1 Vs Audeze LCD-3

Audeze’s LCD-3 offers in my opinion the best tonality in any headphone ever made, with a perfect balance of purity and gentle warmth on the low end, very good depth of field and bass quality. The PM-1 suffered a defeat in the sonic clarity department compared to the LCD-3. Comfort and well roundedness are the only two areas the PM-1 headphones were able to defeat the LCD-3 in. Audeze’s background is less noticeable and more invisible, where the PM-1 background is noticeably jet black and omnipresent.

PM-1 Vs the Hifiman HE-500

If you liked the Hifiman HE-500 you really should be considering paying the extra cash for Oppo’s PM-1, as to me it is a more clear and similarly setup sounding headphone in terms of stereo imaging. The treble on the Hifiman has superior quantity and is much more noticeable. The PM-1 is much more relaxed with less quantity but retains a very slight but noticeable brightness to it. The HE-500 bass feels less firm and solid, as does the midrange.

PM-1 Vs the Sennheiser HD800

Surprisingly, on entry level summit level source and amplification, the PM-1 and the HD800 share similar midrange quality. Via my Red Wine AK120 and Burson Conductor SL, it becomes very hard for me to decide which one has the more clear midrange. Certainly, the HD800 smashes the Oppo in staging and treble potential, but it lacks that beautifully darkened background and rumbling low end the PM-1 has in abundance. Properly amped, the HD800 has some shockingly great treble that the PM-1 will never be able to obtain.

PM-1 Vs the AKG K812

The PM-1 simply is a better headphone in every way and for a lot cheaper. The only real quality the K812 has over the PM-1 is sound staging, which is exceptionally well formed with a good sense of width, something the PM-1 severely lacks. The treble on the K812 is just so awful sometimes that when I compare it side by side with the PM-1, I cannot help but feel incredible relief to not have to listen to that painful and icy upper end anymore. The PM-1 low end is more firm, more weighty and much more responsive. I feel the PM-1 midrange to sound more clear than the K812 in the rawest sense of the word. This is odd for me because I really like the K812 when it is properly EQ’ed but the K812 sounds so thin and lifeless compared to Oppo’s PM-1.

PM-1 Vs the Hifiman HE-6

Properly amped, the HE-6 is just one of the most tonally beautiful headphones on the market and I found it to outperformed the PM-1 significantly on treble and low end clarity. However, having a great treble response and a powerful low end made the midrange of the HE-6 sometimes a little forgotten. The PM-1 is noticeably more intimate and once again has a darker background, so everything seems to have a bit more pop. The PM-1 has a lusher thicker sound but the HE-6 has more weight on the low end with a purer and cleaner bass experience and a more sparkled treble response that leaves the PM-1 a little dusted and confused. (Don’t feel bad Oppo, the HE-6 bests pretty much everything in existence on the treble in my experience, even a few of the expensive Stax models.)

 

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^^ That's a nice comparative chart. 

 

thanks...

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The whole review in Headphonics is worth reading:  http://headfonics.com/2014/05/the-pm-1-planar-headphone-by-oppo/

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Originally Posted by JML View Post
 

The whole review in Headphonics is worth reading:  http://headfonics.com/2014/05/the-pm-1-planar-headphone-by-oppo/

 

Great review!

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It was posted 2 up from his post BTW.

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It was posted 2 up from his post BTW.

I posted the direct link to the review to help later readers of the thread, because the earlier link was to the homepage of the web site and the excerpt quoted was from the review.  As the review becomes less current, it will be more difficult to find without going through the list of reviews.

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Originally Posted by JML View Post
 

The whole review in Headphonics is worth reading:  http://headfonics.com/2014/05/the-pm-1-planar-headphone-by-oppo/

 

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Originally Posted by pfillion View Post
 

 

Great review!

 

What I like about this review is the many head:head comparisons of the Oppo PM-1 to many of the stellar TOTL 'phones.

 

What I don't like is that there is no indication that he ever listened to these 'phones with the Oppo-provided premium cable, a cable that one has to assume was carefully matched and tested by the engineering team to optimize the desired sound quality of these 'phones. (Assuming that cables make a difference. Let's just say they do.) 

 

As an analogy, let's say I go out and buy a new sports car, say a corvette. Then on the way home I stop at the tire store and replace all four tires with a different brand that I happen to have had good results with in the past. Did I improve the handling of the corvette by doing this? Even if I was a great sports-car enthusiast, the odds are high that I have instead degraded it. I've taken one part of a carefully designed integrated suspension & control system and changed it, without making any effort to understand how that system functions or in what ways it might be less than perfect, as delivered. 


Edited by DougD - 5/20/14 at 6:32pm
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(Assuming that cables make a difference. Let's just say they do.)

Why would you assume that? If anything, you should assume that the cable is neutral and adds nothing to color the sound of the audio.
Oppo's goal is to have the audio sound as close to the original source as possible.
I seriously doubt that they altered the sound via the cabling to make that happen, as they would be aware that other people can and will use aftermarket cables.
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Why would you assume that? If anything, you should assume that the cable is neutral and adds nothing to color the sound of the audio.
Oppo's goal is to have the audio sound as close to the original source as possible.
I seriously doubt that they altered the sound via the cabling to make that happen, as they would be aware that other people can and will use aftermarket cables.

 

Why would you assume that?  (your statement, in red above.) Can there be any serious question about whether different designers shoot for different sonic signatures, and that not all headphones aspire to have flat responses from 20Hz to 20kHz with nano-second attack etc ?

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