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post #2146 of 3518
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I think that the price is a bit too high tbh. But the pm-2 at $700 will likely make some real waves. 

 

$700 is really the price point for the Oppo.    What they've done is decided to capitalize on the early adopter by putting out a premium version of the product.

 

Interestingly, i think that there seems to be a consensus building on the Oppo, even though different people have different reactions to that sound palette:   balanced, somewhat polite, etc.  In many ways, it is like the B&W of headphones:  doesnt do anything really well  doesnt stand out exceptionally in any single area, but doesnt have too many weaknesses either.

 

ETA - That isnt a bad thing.   This is the sort of headphone that you can listen to for a long, long time.    It isnt the hot girl wearing a tight dress and doing tequila shots at the bar - it is the smart, pretty girl with a great personality that's over in the Science section of the bookstore.


Edited by vkalia - 5/15/14 at 10:43am
post #2147 of 3518
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Interestingly, i think that there seems to be a consensus building on the Oppo, even though different people have different reactions to that sound palette:   balanced, somewhat polite, etc.  In many ways, it is like the B&W of headphones:  doesnt do anything really well, but doesnt have too many weaknesses either.

I agree: http://www.head-fi.org/t/712932/oppo-pm-1-planar-magnetic-headphone-impressions-thread/495#post_10451285
post #2148 of 3518
Bought these and brought with me on vacation. So far, I'm pretty impressed. They aren't "Top Tier", but they don't suck. Sound-wise, I'd classify them in a similar league as the HE500s or well-modded T50s, but more sleek and sexy. They're a solid first attempt at "orthos on the go".

iPhone 5s>Vamp Verza>Oppo PM-1
post #2149 of 3518
thought one of the big selling points of this planar magnetic can is that it's easy to drive and sounds great out of an iphone, dap etc. then you've got some folks saying it doesn't scale well and others saying it does.
post #2150 of 3518
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Bought these and brought with me on vacation. So far, I'm pretty impressed. They aren't "Top Tier", but they don't suck. Sound-wise, I'd classify them in a similar league as the HE500s or well-modded T50s, but more sleek and sexy. They're a solid first attempt at "orthos on the go".

iPhone 5s>Vamp Verza>Oppo PM-1

 

That's how I feel, too.

 

Let's see what the PM-2 has to offer vs. the 400i

post #2151 of 3518
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

$700 is really the price point for the Oppo.    What they've done is decided to capitalize on the early adopter by putting out a premium version of the product.

 

Interestingly, i think that there seems to be a consensus building on the Oppo, even though different people have different reactions to that sound palette:   balanced, somewhat polite, etc.  In many ways, it is like the B&W of headphones:  doesnt do anything really well, but doesnt have too many weaknesses either.

 

Best feature is the very sweet mid range which outperforms many cans, otherwise agree 100% on both your points above.

 

Will be interesting to test the PM2.

post #2152 of 3518
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Originally Posted by ogodei View Post
 

 

Best feature is the very sweet mid range which outperforms many cans, otherwise agree 100% on both your points above.

 

Will be interesting to test the PM2.

 

Sorry, that was a poor choice of words on my part - what I meant was it doesnt stand out or emphasize single area, but presents a very balanced sound.   I didnt meant that as a perjorative.  I'll correct my post above as well.

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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

$700 is really the price point for the Oppo.    What they've done is decided to capitalize on the early adopter by putting out a premium version of the product.

 

Interestingly, i think that there seems to be a consensus building on the Oppo, even though different people have different reactions to that sound palette:   balanced, somewhat polite, etc.  In many ways, it is like the B&W of headphones:  doesnt do anything really well  doesnt stand out exceptionally in any single area, but doesnt have too many weaknesses either.

Pretty good summary.  Yes depends what you want, the wood box is 1st impression fluff, otherwise its all about build quality, cost of materials, kitting better cables, not very much with paying more money to get marginally better audio/distortion performance like other headphones lineups.   Whats different here is the fact that you can pay less to get more or less the same cans with the PM-2.  

 

Updated as you did. :)


Edited by HiFiAudio - 5/15/14 at 10:50am
post #2154 of 3518
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Bought these and brought with me on vacation. So far, I'm pretty impressed. They aren't "Top Tier", but they don't suck. Sound-wise, I'd classify them in a similar league as the HE500s or well-modded T50s, but more sleek and sexy. They're a solid first attempt at "orthos on the go".

iPhone 5s>Vamp Verza>Oppo PM-1

 

 


Here's some more thorough impressions the Magick had over in his own thread. I meant to post them yesterday but lost track of what I was doing at the time.

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I like the Oppos a lot. Although they aren't quite up to snuff with the Audeze LCD-X; bass doesn't extend as low, more narrow and shallow soundstage, and resolution takes a small hit due to the Oppo drivers exhibiting a hint of grain in their treble (likely due to some distortion/decay issues in that range). However, that's getting a little picky, essentially you get ~90% of the performance for $600 less. Also they're a lot more portable, half the weight, very attractive (a subjective thing), with a wonderful fit and finish you'd expect from Sennheiser, AKG, or one of the major manufacturers.

Are they better than modded T50s? I'd say they're slightly better than my T50s, but still in the same ballpark. Not to mention, the Oppos are open cans, whereas the T50s are closed, though sound leakage isn't as bad with the PM-1s as it is with most others. So, if the looks and portability aren't something you care about, and you want to save a bunch of money, just mod the Fostex yourself or buy some Mad/Alphadogs. I give the Oppo PM-1s a solid 4.25/5 stars, overall. (Anything over 4 stars I consider to be excellent.)

post #2155 of 3518
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thought one of the big selling points of this planar magnetic can is that it's easy to drive and sounds great out of an iphone, dap etc. then you've got some folks saying it doesn't scale well and others saying it does.

 

Scalability can mean one of two things:

 

1/ The headphone is resolving enough to show the differences between inexpensive and higher-end equipment.  This is a grey area and subject to a lot of debate when it comes to taking into account listener bias/placebo vs errors in ear-brain perception vs repeatable/verifiable differences.   Everyone has their own opinion on this, and there is no point debating on what is right.     Personally, i think that if the difference between amp A and amp B can be heard by the "naked ear", then any headphone should be able to reproduce that difference, even if each headphone presents this difference with its own unique signature.

 

2/ The headphone itself sounds better with higher-end equipment (as opposed to allowing the "better sound" of the higher-end gear come through).    That, IMO, is purely a function of a higher-end amp doing a better job driving the headphones.   Hard-to-drive headphones scale well with more expensive gear b/c the beefier/pricier amps can control them better.   An easy-to-drive headphone simply will not scale too well, b/c there is nothing to be gained by additional power.

 

So if the Oppo sounds as good with the iPod as it does with, say, a Bakoon, the question is - is that a reflection on the Oppo or on the difference between the iPod and the Bakoon when it comes to a load both can handle?    

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I tend to agree with what you are saying.  When I compare my HE-560 to my PM-1 from my tube amp, they sound fairly equal, but when I compare the two off of the speaker taps of my Denon 4800 AVR, 125 wpc, there is no contest, as the HE-560 wins from that amp, more dynamic, better bass slam, clarity/detail, and bigger soundstage!  Can't tell much of a difference in the PM-1 from the tube amp to the Denon!

post #2157 of 3518
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Did you have the 650 at the same time as the pm-1? If so, can I ask which version...older or newer silver screened drivers. To my ears, the pm-1 reproduces an appreciable level of detail over the 650. This is coming from a 650 lifer. Actually I find that the two hp's are quite similar in many ways. 

 

For me, the detail is there in the pm-1. You can have a darker hp with all the detail IMO. Just take a look at the lcd-x, xc and 3. Heck, I'd even throw the lcd2 into that category. Great hp's, darker Audeze house sound, no missing detail up top. 

 

I'd also go as far to say that the pm-1 was a planar mag version of the 650...almost. I still find that pm-1 is a better hp across the spectrum. If you add the quality of the build, fatigue free listening, accessibility to any amp to the equation...it makes the pm-1 a compelling option. 

 

I think that the price is a bit too high tbh. But the pm-2 at $700 will likely make some real waves. 

 

I was referring to the older veiled sounding version of HD-650. That one reminds me most of PM-1. I only had HD600 (which is more or less like a current HD650 silver driver but with more upper mids) to compare PM-1 to. HD600 (and by relation, HD650 silver) is more resolving (revolving <> detail) than PM-1. One simply needs to hear the aforementioned Eagles XRCD track. Some information such as string decay, ambient cues, disappear on the PM-1. This is from my uber rig. From a Objective2 or cheap Chinese amp, it probably all sounds the same.

 

Yes agreed, that PM-1 is like a planar version of HD650 older version.

 

Also, agreed that PM-1 is roughly equivalent to HE-500, sort of blows against each other in specific aspects, but jerg pad modded HE-500 is better than PM-1. Should point out that HE-500 is or was $599. However points on superior comfort, weight, and build of PM-1 are valid since HE-500 comfort is absolutely horrible unless odd things are done to it which risk shattering the HE-500 headband into ten pieces. As I've already said, my view of PM-1 would be different if it were not priced at $1,100, nice box not withstanding since I don't plan on looking at the box or caressing it's beautiful wood on a daily basis.

 

Sonically PM-1 lost to HE-560, Enigma, LCD2r2 (high grade sample). Lost a little bit on modest setups, but quite a bit on my uber rig. I know many think tube amp is probably a negative (it's all dependent on implementation and quality of transformers - OTL is bad idea for these), and all DACs sound pretty much the same, but this is wrong, especially when such tube amp (4-45) makes tighter bass (try any track from recent Daft Punk CD) compared to Krell amp with HE-6. Go figure.

 

Would like to try PM-1 from higher power SS like my Mojo or Crest CA-2 power amp to see if I can obtain better results. That I haven't tried yet. The SS I've tried so far has been modest power.


Edited by purrin - 5/15/14 at 1:35pm
post #2158 of 3518
Srajan - in his review for DAR - got good results with the Questyle CMA800. The lean and detail-oriented amp works great with the warm and lush PM-1.
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Srajan - in his review for DAR - got good results with the Questyle CMA800. The lean and detail-oriented amp works great with the warm and lush PM-1.

Is that what he said?! So hard to follow his train of thought sometimes. blink.gif

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