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post #2131 of 3459

I'm up in the air on the 560...maybe. I was planning to wait till the 400i comes out and make a decision from there. 

post #2132 of 3459
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I like them just fine. I'll likely buy the pm-2 this summer. 

 

I've got enough in my pp account that I might go all in on the lcd-3

 

:atsmile:

Wasn't comfort your primary concern with headphones? :eek:

post #2133 of 3459

Could be awhile....the HE-560 has enough burn in now, sounds good, like an upgrade to the HE-4 that I had twice!

post #2134 of 3459
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

Wasn't comfort your primary concern with headphones? :eek:

 

You have a good memory. ;)  Yes, comfort is number one and the Audeze hp's are certainly not the most comfortable for me. But they have my favorite signature out there period ( have not heard the 560 ). 

post #2135 of 3459
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'tis true. I've updated my sig/profile to reflect that I do run Anax mods on the HD800 to tame the brightness and hard glare of the HD800. Even then, I still find it bright.

I do want to clarify that frequency response is only but one aspect; and even then, I do not find the PM-1's frequency response objectionable. To put things in perspective, I find the FR, particularly the treble, of Grados, SRH-1440, T1, etc. to be unbearable.
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I know purrin is getting a lot of slack but for some reason his impressions are the more believable.

All of the reviews I have read of these so far fail to give me the impression that these are a high fi listen. It always falls to preference instead of the less subjective qualities like resolution,detail, transparency, attack etc. Fwiw I prefer a cheap 100 headphone with lots of energy on some songs than some of these hifi cans. That preference, though useful when describing a headphone so like mined can establish bearings, means little when someone is specifically after something like a hefty dollar amount worth of vocal purity/fidelity, overal transparency and detail. That sound I know I can come close to on the Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI which is a full sized closed back. For an open back to have weight to the notes,yet the projection,clarity, and visceral nature of the Hope VI seems hard to pull off and def not to be expected here.

At this point of my impression gathering I am not hopeful for this to be a worthy replacement of anything I own and not only based on his impressions. I still want to hear them very much though...Well then why should I pos here? Because I honestly predict that once Tyll or some others buckle down on the Oppo's oddities and post a review people like purrin will think"I told you so" while the proud owners shrug their shoulders to shake off the feeling of having something sub-standard (which I have done PLENTY of times).
Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/14/14 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

Because I honestly predict that once Tyll or some others buckle down on the Oppo's oddities and post a review people like purrin will think"I told you so" while the proud owners shrug their shoulders to shake off the feeling of having something sub-standard (which I have done PLENTY of times).

Tyll has already gone on record at InnerFidelity stating he likes the PM-1. We will find out exactly how much when he publishes his review. There also have been numerous positive reviews of the PM-1 by respected reviewers. This is not to say that these reviews are any more meritorious than those that people have posted in this thread.

post #2137 of 3459

^ That is true and thats why I said prediction cause I could be totalllllly wrong. But the truth is that certain reviewers make it a point to tackle the more objective specifics of a headphone.

 

Also that is not to say that people wont totally disagree with very valid points. BUT this oppo is still def in hype phase.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/14/14 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post
 

Hit me up in about 6-7 weeks time. It should make its way back over to me. I am in your neck of the woods. 


Will do.  Thank you. 

post #2139 of 3459
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Originally Posted by JeffA View Post

Tyll has already gone on record at InnerFidelity stating he likes the PM-1. We will find out exactly how much when he publishes his review. There also have been numerous positive reviews of the PM-1 by respected reviewers. This is not to say that these reviews are any more meritorious than those that people have posted in this thread.

he also said that it doesn't have "enough up top". if tyll thinks that then the treble must be shelved down.
post #2140 of 3459
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Originally Posted by JeffA View Post

There also have been numerous positive reviews of the PM-1 by respected reviewers.

I have a question for y'all that I've been meaning to ask for weeks now, ever since the links to reviews started coming in: which of those reviewers do you give credence to and why? It might help to have some idea where you're coming from. If you think it's OT, PM me.

I agree with Grizzly and up late that this will not win the Tyll sweepstakes. On the other hand, he's not going to pan it.
post #2141 of 3459
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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

 

Is there another headphone that you can think of/heard, that the PM-1 compares to?

 

Can you list some examples/impressions of some of the tracks you heard, that you think sounded like poo?  So some of us can listen to them, and decide?  This is an impression thread and moderators have said that it would be helpful to list the music and the setup that you based your impression on!

 

The PM-1 reminds me most of the HD650 - the veiled version. I'm pretty sure Senn changed the formulation for the later HD650s to be less veiled. As mentioned previously, PM-1 has better quality low/sub bass to HD650, but will add that HD650, even the veiled version, seems to be better at retreival of low level information and has more air.

 

There weren't any specific tracks as I felt the qualities I attributed to the PM-1 were pervasive. But I will mention a few that were used. Some are difficult / impossible to find.

 

  1. Eagles Hotel CA from Hell Freezes Over (XRCD)
  2. A few selections from Don Henley - Building the Perfect Beast (MFSL)
  3. Harold Faltermeyer - Axel F (LFF Remaster)
  4. A few selections from Talking Heads - Little Creatures (2006 Remaster)
  5. A few selections from Daft Punk - Random Access Memories

 

Setups:

 

  1. EC 4-45 from A-GD M7 via Amanero USB-SPDIF converter
  2. EC ZD from same source - not good with most orthos, output Z is way too high
  3. Yulong DA08 (combo DAC/headamp) - not very good with anything :-( not unexpected of cheap / Chinese SABRE implementations.
  4. CK2iii from Marantz CD-Player (forgot model #) - actually surprisingly good for cost

 

I do wonder though if a more dynamic sounding DAC with a more forward sounding solid-state amp like the Gung/Mojo would be a better pairing with the PM-1.


Edited by purrin - 5/14/14 at 10:37pm
post #2142 of 3459
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

The PM-1 reminds me most of the HD650 - the veiled version. I'm pretty sure Senn changed the formulation for the later HD650s to be less veiled. As mentioned previously, PM-1 has better quality low/sub bass to HD650, but will add that HD650, even the veiled version, seems to be better at retreival of low level information and has more air.

 

There weren't any specific tracks as I felt the qualities I attributed to the PM-1 were pervasive. But I will mention a few that were used. Some are difficult / impossible to find.

 

  1. Eagles Hotel CA from Hell Freezes Over (XRCD)
  2. A few selections from Don Henley - Building the Perfect Beast (MFSL)
  3. Harold Faltermeyer - Axel F (LFF Remaster)
  4. A few selections from Talking Heads - Little Creatures (2006 Remaster)
  5. A few selections from Daft Punk - Random Access Memories

 

Setups:

 

  1. EC 4-45 from A-GD M7 via Amanero USB-SPDIF converter
  2. EC ZD from same source - not good with most orthos, output Z is way too high
  3. Yulong DA08 (combo DAC/headamp) - not very good with anything :-( not unexpected of cheap / Chinese SABRE implementations.
  4. CK2iii from Marantz CD-Player (forgot model #) - actually surprisingly good for cost

 

I do wonder though if a more dynamic sounding DAC with a more forward sounding solid-state amp like the Gung/Mojo would be a better pairing with the PM-1.

 

Did you have the 650 at the same time as the pm-1? If so, can I ask which version...older or newer silver screened drivers. To my ears, the pm-1 reproduces an appreciable level of detail over the 650. This is coming from a 650 lifer. Actually I find that the two hp's are quite similar in many ways. 

 

For me, the detail is there in the pm-1. You can have a darker hp with all the detail IMO. Just take a look at the lcd-x, xc and 3. Heck, I'd even throw the lcd2 into that category. Great hp's, darker Audeze house sound, no missing detail up top. 

 

I'd also go as far to say that the pm-1 was a planar mag version of the 650...almost. I still find that pm-1 is a better hp across the spectrum. If you add the quality of the build, fatigue free listening, accessibility to any amp to the equation...it makes the pm-1 a compelling option. 

 

I think that the price is a bit too high tbh. But the pm-2 at $700 will likely make some real waves. 

post #2143 of 3459
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

I do wonder though if a more dynamic sounding DAC with a more forward sounding solid-state amp like the Gung/Mojo would be a better pairing with the PM-1.

 

That would make sense actually. The feedback so far from the HA-1 is that it's not one of those romantic dacs. Together with the amp driving the PM-1 balanced, it truly sounded pretty darn good to these ears and that's rather surprising coming from someone who got used to the Stax resolution. Maybe what I realized on Saturday is how much my dac is behind its time, but suffice to say, the PM-1/HA-1 combo did not sound half as bad as the impressions you have. 

 

In the end, I am not sure you'll ever like the PM-1, but when you get a chance, it's probably trying it with the HA-1.

post #2144 of 3459

I have the HA-1 arriving tomorrow Arnaud. I will be putting some early impression on the amplifier with the  PM-1 .

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

I have the HA-1 arriving tomorrow Arnaud. I will be putting some early impression on the amplifier with the  PM-1 .

Sounds good!
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