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post #1846 of 3447
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Originally Posted by ogodei View Post

PM-1 is great for the money, compared to other cans in its class.

Nothing north of a grand will ever be "great for the money"--let's not kid ourselves. Diminishing returns kick in long before. It might be many things, but a sweetheart deal it isn't.
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Nothing north of a grand will ever be "great for the money"--let's not kid ourselves. Diminishing returns kick in long before. It might be many things, but a sweetheart deal it isn't.

So seeing you get a PM-2?

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So seeing you get a PM-2?

A used HD600 is $275. Everything else is gravy. Spend whatever you like--I do. But I'm not going to kid myself about overpaying.
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The problem with the point of diminishing returns is that it's a relative, not an absolute and hence quite meaningless as a general concept.  If you earn 2k/month it'll likely be situated south of where it is if you're making 20k.

 

You only live once -at least afaik- and can't take any cash with you upon checkout.

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HD600/650 is say, like 70% of the performance of my $1K phones.

 

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So seeing you get a PM-2?

A used HD600 is $275. Everything else is gravy. Spend whatever you like--I do. But I'm not going to kid myself about overpaying.

 

Yep. I usually say '$500 Wall'. As soon as you pass that wall, everything gets too expensive for sonic improvements. There is a reason why HD600 and K70X are selling so well after many years.

That said, even 'sonic improvements' are not guaranteed... depending on headphones, you might end up getting worse sounding phones if you choose wrong headphone makers. ;p

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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

The problem with the point of diminishing returns is that it's a relative, not an absolute and hence quite meaningless as a general concept.  If you earn 2k/month it'll likely be situated south of where it is if you're making 20k.

 

You only live once -at least afaik- and can't take any cash with you upon checkout.

 

The question becomes how south?  And that's what diminishing returns really tries to define.  In essence, the graph would look something like a logistic curve with an asymptote at y = MAX SOUND QUALITY.  Y would be the sound quality axis and X would be the cost.  The improvement goes down as the price goes up, but there still is improvement (statistically). 

 

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HD600/650 is say, like 70% of the performance of my $1K phones.

 

 

Yep. I usually say '$500 Wall'. As soon as you pass that wall, everything gets too expensive for sonic improvements. There is a reason why HD600 and K70X are selling so well after many years.

That said, even 'sonic improvements' are not guaranteed... depending on headphones, you might end up getting worse sounding phones if you choose wrong headphone makers. ;p

 

You can also end up with the wrong headphone if you choose the wrong headphone...  EG, if you choose something that doesn't fit your preferences. 


Edited by tinyman392 - 5/8/14 at 8:42pm
post #1852 of 3447
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

The question becomes how south?  And that's what diminishing returns really tries to define.  In essence, the graph would look something like a logistic curve with an asymptote at y = MAX SOUND QUALITY.  Y would be the sound quality axis and X would be the cost.  The improvement goes down as the price goes up, but there still is improvement (statistically). 

 

 

You can also end up with the wrong headphone if you choose the wrong headphone...  EG, if you choose something that doesn't fit your preferences. 

LOL.....Of all the guys on this site I obviously encounter the one who (if I'm not mistaken, math is a bit rusty and I didn't bother looking it up) has something in his sig that looks suspiciously like the math notation defining a limit.

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LOL.....Of all the guys on this site I obviously encounter the one who (if I'm not mistaken, math is a bit rusty and I didn't bother looking it up) has something in his sig that looks suspiciously like the math notation defining a limit.

 

LOL :p  You'd be correct :p

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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

The problem with the point of diminishing returns is that it's a relative, not an absolute and hence quite meaningless as a general concept.  If you earn 2k/month it'll likely be situated south of where it is if you're making 20k.

Actually, to be pedantic, diminishing returns kicks in when it does. Income affects whether someone feels justified in spending additional money for that minor return.

Of course, everyone can have a different belief on where that point lies but that is a mater of perception, not income. Still, most peoples do sort of agree on where this price point lies - especially if factor in blind testing.
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Originally Posted by ogodei View Post

PM-1 is great for the money, compared to other cans in its class.  The HA-1 may also be as an amp/dac combo depending on the strengths of that amp. In any case its a beautiful package for someone just getting into the hobby.

World domination, forward march!

It is a very good headphone but not great for the money. It is on par at best - some of that price goes towards the size and sensitivity reduction, instead of pure SQ. And that's not a bad thing - i finally have a headphone which plays in the alpha territory and which I can take with me when I travel. As anyone who's heard me rant on the X5's UI will know, usability is a big thing.

The PM1, the LCD2, the HD800s - they are good/great phones but not for the money. They are about what you'd expect to get for the price. The. HD650s, Visio HP50s - and the PM2 if it hits the same performance for a lot less - THOSE are great for the money.
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Actually, to be pedantic, diminishing returns kicks in when it does. Income affects whether someone feels justified in spending additional money for that minor return.

Of course, everyone can have a different belief on where that point lies but that is a mater of perception, not income. Still, most peoples do sort of agree on where this price point lies - especially if factor in blind testing.

You're right about diminishing returns of course.  I guess most people sort of agree on where this is situated in money terms because by definition, most people would be situated within 1 standard deviation of the mean income. 

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How about getting back to being on topic?  

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As far as the HA-1 bang for the buck conversation take a look at the Schiit Gungnir and Mjolnir. That combo would cost $1,500.00 US for a quality DAC and a fully balanced amp combo, and people have been commenting that it's great for the price. The HA-1 is also fully balanced (DAC and amp), can be used as a pre-amp, utilizes Bluetooth and has Apple certification. The DAC section is world renowned and they have experience with the same DAC in their very well regarded BDP-105 so it should be implemented well. The amp section is full class A, very low distortion numbers, both balanced and single ended as well as plenty powerful. Not 8 Watts (maximum) powerful but still quite respectable at 3 Watts (maximum).

The price of $1,199.00 US is quite reasonable for all the features, and what I'm hoping will be great SQ. When you consider that it plays more in line with the Lyr / Bifrost combo price range I feel it's quite a steal for a balanced combo with some sweet extra features added, including the very nice VU / spectrometer display. Even my tiny Pan Am (which I love) cost over $500.00 and doesn't have balanced output and won't play DSD.

The HA-1 could very well be a great bargain.

Edit: Sorry for also derailing. Back on topic.
Edited by x RELIC x - 5/9/14 at 12:20am
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Yep the HA-1 is looking mightly good so far. Both on paper and inside.
post #1860 of 3447
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Originally Posted by Thad-E-Ginathom View Post
 

Is the PM-1 currently only available from USA?

 

Information, as and when available, on international distributors will be welcome. Hopefully, that will happen and there will be a page on your website.

 

Oh, wait... I recall mention of a horribly-high price in UK, but remember there is a world outside USA/Europe! :)

 

I can see it in shops around the Europe, but the pricing seems ridiculous, UK, Germany, Finland etc all are around 1350-1400€ (~1099£). Worst case scenario of importing from US 1099$ + 50$ ship + 27% customs taxes fees etc = 1055€ or 860£! Even Audeze is priced about the same in EU vs importing. Is Oppo EU (if such exists) a different greedy branch?


Edited by hekeli - 5/9/14 at 2:03am
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