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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The PM-1 had a losing battle before it was even released, and that negativity more or less kept it's momentum upon release. Right now, no matter what it does right, people are going to shine a light on things if isn't as masterful with, like comparing it's soundstage to a headphone which is know to have arguably the best soundstage out there.

 

Really?  For me the impression has been the opposite.    The very statement above points that out - why do you or anyone who doesnt work for Oppo care if someone shines a light on the negatives?  People need to realize that any criticism of a pair of headphones doesnt reflect on them or their tastes, and stop taking things so personally.   Then most of this OT stuff will disappear.   

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No, it doesn't. Tossing in open backed dynamic headphones into a discussion on planar magnetics is like blathering on about tractors when everyone else is discussing hatchbacks. They may share a motor and wheels and can get you around but they are designed and suited to produce very different results.

You might as well bring in your ipod buds for heaven's sakes.



While I agree that we're not here to compare the PM-1 to ipod buds, if all we are going to do is compare planar magnetic headphones to each other instead of comparing other TOTL headphones to the PM-1, then how are people to make an informed decision?



Granted, we have to keep price points in mind, but if someone is going to drop $1 - $1.5K on a pair of headphones and they are considering the PM-1, I think comparisons with all headphones in that range are perfectly appropriate. And if there is an over achiever that is less than $1K, why not compare to that headphone as well?  



After all, it is the sound that is produced by the headphone that matters, not the technology in the headphone that produces the sound.  And while I'm sure that some people are looking for a lighter planar magnetic that sounds great, there are also people reading these impressions that just want the best headphone for the money, period. So in fairness to those that are considering the PM-1 (or any other headphone on an impression thread), let's not try to restrict impressions/comparisons to other headphones regardless of the transducer used.

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No, it doesn't. Tossing in open backed dynamic headphones into a discussion on planar magnetics is like blathering on about tractors when everyone else is discussing hatchbacks. They may share a motor and wheels and can get you around but they are designed and suited to produce very different results.
You might as well bring in your ipod buds for heaven's sakes.

 

With all due respect, that is silly.    People dont buy headphones b/c they are orthos or dynamic - they buy them based on the sound primarily.  The technology underneath is merely a means to an end.      Arguing that one shouldnt compare the PM1s to HD800s b/c the drivers are different makes no sense whatsoever, atleast to me.

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No, it doesn't. Tossing in open backed dynamic headphones into a discussion on planar magnetics is like blathering on about tractors when everyone else is discussing hatchbacks. They may share a motor and wheels and can get you around but they are designed and suited to produce very different results.
You might as well bring in your ipod buds for heaven's sakes.

 

Agreed. Planars are a different animal. There is a continuousness and seamlessness about their sound that dynamics just can't do.

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Agreed. Planars are a different animal. There is a continuousness and seamlessness about their sound that dynamics just can't do.

I'm surprised you agree with that.
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I don't know if I'm hallucinating but I find that the soundstage is a little bit larger with the velour pads.

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
 

Matt not sure but maybe closer to the alpha dog bass. You wont ant for any bass . Much better bass extension than the hE560. It  a nice full sounding planar with excellent extension in my opinion.


I was going to suggest this, but then realized I have the PM-1 and the Alpha Dog, and a pair of CIEMS.  I didn't want to fall into the old - "When a hammer is hte only tool you have, pretty soon all of your problems start looking like nails" trap.  The bass of the PM-1 and the AD seemed pretty comparable to me as well.

 

As to all the attempts to compare to the HD800 - I keep thinking - what's the point?  I really don't like the HD800 very much...

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I don't know if I'm hallucinating but I find that the soundstage is a little bit larger with the velour pads.

Velour pads tend to feel more solid and slightly further from the ear then lambskin pads, my observation. 

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As to all the attempts to compare sto the HD800 - I keep thinking - what's the point?  I really don't like the HD800 very much...

Yeah compare Oppo PM-1 to other planars from Audeze, HiFiMan, even Abyss.   The reduced levels of distortion, and impulse response test results are a lot better. 

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Originally Posted by HiFiAudio View Post
 

Velour pads tend to feel more solid and slightly further from the ear then lambskin pads, my observation. 

 

Good point, it's probably the reason why I have the impression that the soundstage is a little bit larger.

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Originally Posted by HiFiAudio View Post
 

Yeah compare Oppo PM-1 to other planars from Audeze, HiFiMan, even Abyss.   The reduced levels of distortion, and impulse response test results are a lot better. 

Distortion figures look worse than LCD2r2s at least from Tyll's data, impulse looks about the same. PM1s are actually critically damped according to a few ortho aficionados, so a good, succinct impulse response does make sense.

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With a Doublehelixcables "Synergy" cable on my PM-1, I am hearing a huge soundstage, lots of air and detail, and sparkle in the treble, using the velour pads.....sound is closer to the T1 in treble!

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With a Doublehelixcables "Synergy" cable on my PM-1, I am hearing a huge soundstage, lots of air and detail, and sparkle in the treble, using the velour pads.....sound is closer to the T1 in treble!

BUT what is the amp and DAC for that? :D

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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

With a Doublehelixcables "Synergy" cable on my PM-1, I am hearing a huge soundstage, lots of air and detail, and sparkle in the treble, using the velour pads.....sound is closer to the T1 in treble!

BUT what is the amp and DAC for that? :D

 

You can see that in my sig, or profile!

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You can see that in my sig, or profile!

Guess I get to choose then! biggrin.gif
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