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post #1321 of 3447

Hey Mad Lust Envy,

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

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I'd just like some valid comparisons with something that has similar strengths and weaknesses.

I see that it has a similar curve to an HD650 and somewhat like a brighter LCD2. I'd like to know just how it stacks up to those. Both, headphones which I loved. Considering the Oppo sells for adound the price of what the LCD2 used to sell for, I'd say that is a logical comparison.

 

First, I have to say that I've really appreciated your posts - a steady voice of reason and objective thinking.  Maybe we're just like-minded, not necessarily right-minded.  :p

 

Having considered the LCD-2 rev.1 to be my favorite headphone for over three years, the PM-1 is slowly winning me over. Despite how great it sounds on relatively little power, its bass energy and control do improve as you apply more power.  It is brighter than the LCD-2 at all power levels - very satisfying in this regard - especially since the shelved highs of the LCD-2 were about the only thing I had to tolerate with it. But with a well-powered PM-1, you'll get almost the same bass (but not really) as the LCD-2 with similar, fantastic mids, and a much nicer treble, tons of detail without any trace of sibilance, and not a hint of being analytical.  

 

And, like the LCD-3, with which I've only had experience at meets, you get a faster, more detailed response, throughout the entire spectrum. The resolution is not only superior to the LCD-2, it's superior to the HD650, with none of the HD650's dynamic-ness, if you know what I mean. The PM-1 has the transparency of the LCD-2, that the HD650 lacks. There's that planar blackness and liquid smoothness that's more like the LCD-2, for sure.  

 

The PM-1 is more comfortable than the LCD-2 for being lighter, but at least with my head, it clamps just a little more tightly - still fine for long listening sessions, and in the end, not as hard on the neck as the LCD-2.  But it's nowhere near as comfortable as the nearly "invisible" HD650, nor does it have the big soundstage, but the soundstage is much larger than that of the in-close LCD-2, as is the imaging - which is spectacular. 

 

Like the HD650 and the LCD-2, I like to feed the PM-1 with as neutral and transparent and detailed a signal as possible - getting that with sufficient power, to let the PM-1's bass be all that it can be, isn't terribly expensive.  Right now (tune in next week for something different), I'm really enjoying the PM-1 (and I'm sure the PM-2 will do just as well) with this reasonably affordable, extremely clean and detailed chain:

 

Foobar 2000 w/WASAPI event mode > Win7 laptop > USB > Concero SPDIF on a 5V battery > Beresford Bushmaster MkII on a 12V battery > Meier Audio Stepdance on 15V battery > PM-1

 

Again, for my tastes, the PM-1 is like the HD650 and LCD-2 in preferring a neutral signal - allowing its frequency response to be heard, as is, without injecting any color upstream. 

 

(I haven't tried it, but according to several Beresford Bushmaster MkII owners, using the much less-expensive HiFiMeDIY USB-to-SPDIF converter still gives great results. That's about $45, plus $250 for the Bushmaster MkII, $415 for Meier's current Stepdance offering - the Quickstep - with a $20 15V PSU.  Add the PM-2 for $700 and you've got a giant-killing desktop system, in my opinion, for about $1430. Perhaps closer to $1000, used.  Add battery packs and you can take it all camping with you - or just to get a spectacularly low noise floor with desktop use.)

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 4/28/14 at 6:21am
post #1322 of 3447
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

More impressions please. To repeat what have said many times: If people post the music they are listening to and how loud their listen, it would resolve much of this discussion. :smile:

 

I listen to a wide variety of music and I've loved hip-hop, trip-hop, warm jazz, and EDM the most on them. I've enjoyed other genres also, but I feel the strengths lie there.

post #1323 of 3447
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

 

 

 

Having considered the LCD-2 rev.1 to be my favorite headphone for over three years, the PM-1 is slowly winning me over. Despite how great it sounds on relatively little power, its bass energy and control do improve as you apply more power.  It is brighter than the LCD-2 at all power levels - very satisfying in this regard - especially since the shelved highs of the LCD-2 were about the only thing I had to tolerate with it. But with a well-powered PM-1, you'll get almost the same bass (but not really) as the LCD-2 with similar, fantastic mids, and a much nicer treble, tons of detail without any trace of sibilance, and not a hint of being analytical.  

 

 

 

Nice post Mike. Can you please elaborate on the sentence that I highlighted. I'm not quite understanding what you mean there. 

 

thanks...

post #1324 of 3447

Thanks!  

 

The LCD-2 bass is unbeatable in terms of energy and control, but only with lots of power - I suspect this alone is why Audeze recommends a minimum of 1000mW into 50-Ohms for the the LCD-2. The less power you give the PM-1, the less bass you'll hear and on a Sansa Clip+, it will even sound woolly - lacking the control you get with more power.  

 

I've operated the PM-1 at over 1200mW into 32-Ohms and it can't compete with the LCD-2 bass on that same amp, but even on about 500mW (estimated output of the 15VDC-powered Meier Stepdance) the PM-1 bass becomes just about all that it can be, and unless you're addicted to LCD-2 bass, you wouldn't find it lacking. I find the PM-1 to be even faster and better-controlled, with excellent pitch discernment - just not as energetic (more like an LCD-3 than an LCD-2 in this regard).  

 

It goes as deep and as tight as you could want, just not as loud in the bass relative to the rest of the spectrum. In truth, the LCD-2 is not neutral, right?  The PM-1 is neutral - but not at all lacking in the bass.  I feel as if the PM-1 has allowed me to mature in my requirement for bass, but it's nothing like the "maturity" required with an improperly amped T1 or HD800.

 

:D

 

Mike

post #1325 of 3447

Okay, thanks that helps. While I wouldn't say that "addicted" to the lcd-2 bass, it may well be may favorite bass of all time. If the pm-1 is similar to lcd-3 bass, I'd be a very happy camper still. 

post #1326 of 3447

Mike is correct in post. The LCDX bass is also different than the LCD2. The 2 had in my opinion the best bass of any Audeze headphone and the X has excellent defined bass and it not as deep but better soundstage and high end more balanced. The PM-1  has very good bass but not as extended as the LCD2-no phone has that bass in my opinion. In any event the PM-1 does bass well and has very good dynamics and tonality.

post #1327 of 3447

Frank, is there another hp with bass that you find similar to the pm-1?

 

thanks...

post #1328 of 3447
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

While all this was transpiring during late night hours, I was listening to my PM-1 with my eyes closed, drifting off into sonic heaven with the beautiful sounds of beautiful music. Damn!

 

Me too ;)

post #1329 of 3447
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Frank, is there another hp with bass that you find similar to the pm-1?

thanks...

I have my tips... I think the baffle fixed HFM might do similarly in bass. I am sure Frank will comment on them but not before he gets the retail versions.
From my understanding, all planars do very well in bass.
post #1330 of 3447
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

^yes it does.... I bet if I said "the oppo is even more comfortable than my hd800's with detail not far behind, yet more inviting and less fatiguing" there would be non probs other than the fact that I don't have either. Don't be so legal guys it's up to the reader to filter through all the hype or disappointment and find out what is for them. Almost all bearings are useful to someone about to pull the trigger. This is a forum where people express their likes/dislikes of a product. Relating to or not relating to those preferences is what it's all about.


No, it doesn't. Tossing in open backed dynamic headphones into a discussion on planar magnetics is like blathering on about tractors when everyone else is discussing hatchbacks. They may share a motor and wheels and can get you around but they are designed and suited to produce very different results.
You might as well bring in your ipod buds for heaven's sakes.
post #1331 of 3447
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Frank, is there another hp with bass that you find similar to the pm-1?

 

thanks...

Matt not sure but maybe closer to the alpha dog bass. You wont ant for any bass . Much better bass extension than the hE560. It  a nice full sounding planar with excellent extension in my opinion.

post #1332 of 3447
Thanks Frank. Better than the 560 and on par with the AD will suit me just fine.
post #1333 of 3447
That's very interesting when you say "much" better extension then the he560 Frank. Is that in comparison to the first pair of 560 you received, or have you already received the 560 with the baffle fix?
post #1334 of 3447
He does not have the baffle fixed version yet.
post #1335 of 3447

Good thing...'cause if the PM-1 has much better extension, then the HE-560 wouldn't have any treble! :p

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