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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


A headphone is a headphone is a headphone, yet comparing an open headphone to a closed headphone, a bright headphone to a dark one, a bass heavy headphone to an analytical headphone helps no one, as we all have specific preferences. True comparisons are those that stack two headphones with a closer sound signature, not a significant gap like something like the HD800 and PM-1 which FWIH are nothing alike. You are bound to lean heavily towards one over the other based on your preference. The person who compared the two was already biased towards the HD800's signature to begin with, so of course the PM-1 isn't going to stack up.

I, for one would take an LCD2's sound signature over one like the HD800 99.9% of the time, because I prefer a more intimate, mid rich, euphonic sound signature, not one that aims for detail retrieval and analyzing.

 

There are two main sides to comparisons (maybe others):

  • Signature comparison...  Compares the signature of two headphones.  Allows users to be able to extrapolate the signature (not quality) in contrast to another headphone they may have already heard to know if they'll even be interested in the headphone.  The Oppo has been stated to be warm over neutral.
  • Technical ability comparison...  Compares the technical ability of two headphones (contest-wise).  This can only be done objectively if there is no bias to signature...  If they share the same signature, then the bias is minimized, but still there.  If two headphones have the same exact signature, they might as well be the same (I DON'T mean they are both warm => same signature...)

 

That's how I've always seen headphone comparisons anyways. 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

People can compare, just as long as OTHERS know that biases will always exist, and if you prefer a certain type of sound/tonality, the other one isn't going to be favored by the person who compares.

There's being objective, and there is the elephant in the room: your own personal tastes which often does not coincide with what is objectively better.

 

Sure. Reminds me of this article.

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I even find it useful when folks compare closed to open. It just helps establish bearings on a specific trait of a hp. Ie LCD 2 bass hits harder than paradox. Paradox is more balanced than lcd2.

If my first hp was an lcd2 I should know what to expect once I step outside of what I am used to.
post #1309 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Jodet View Post

I just returned my pair.   I have HD800's and knew they would best the Oppo's in comfort and soundstage.

Sound wise the HD800's are in another league.   I just don't see these as being worth $1100.  

Opinions vary.   This is mine and I have no interest in debating it.   Just posting it here so others can see not everyone thinks these are the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

This is what I'm talking about. Some cut and dry comment stating the HD800 is in another league, knowing full well he was utterly biased towards the HD800 which by all accounts sounds completely different from the PM-1, and are aimed for different purposes.

Again, two completely different voicings, yet someone needed to add in that the HD800 were in another 'league'. How can anyone take something like this seriously? Just incredibly quick few day impressions with a mentality that seemed to be against the PM-1 from the get go.

That's like me buying an HD800 and saying the LCD-2 is in another 'league' because the bass is more realistic, the mids are richer, and the sound is more organic.

There are always trade offs, and it's up to the individual to decide which trade offs he/she is willing to sacrifice.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/27/14 at 8:28pm
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The HD800 doesn't even belong in this thread.

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^yes it does.... I bet if I said "the oppo is even more comfortable than my hd800's with detail not far behind, yet more inviting and less fatiguing" there would be non probs other than the fact that I don't have either. Don't be so legal guys it's up to the reader to filter through all the hype or disappointment and find out what is for them. Almost all bearings are useful to someone about to pull the trigger. This is a forum where people express their likes/dislikes of a product. Relating to or not relating to those preferences is what it's all about.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 4/27/14 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

This is what I'm talking about. Some cut and dry comment stating the HD800 is in another league, knowing full well he was utterly biased towards the HD800 which by all accounts sounds completely different from the PM-1, and are aimed for different purposes.

Again, two completely different voicings, yet someone needed to add in that the HD800 were in another 'league'. How can anyone take something like this seriously? Just incredibly quick few day impressions with a mentality that seemed to be against the PM-1 from the get go.

That's like me buying an HD800 and saying the LCD-2 is in another 'league' because the bass is more realistic, the mids are richer, and the sound is more organic.

There are always trade offs, and it's up to the individual to decide which trade offs he/she is willing to sacrifice.
So only people who like the PM-1's signature are allowed comment? This isn't an appreciation thread where your suggested inbred activity is the norm.
post #1313 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

This is what I'm talking about. Some cut and dry comment stating the HD800 is in another league, knowing full well he was utterly biased towards the HD800 which by all accounts sounds completely different from the PM-1, and are aimed for different purposes.

Again, two completely different voicings, yet someone needed to add in that the HD800 were in another 'league'. How can anyone take something like this seriously? Just incredibly quick few day impressions with a mentality that seemed to be against the PM-1 from the get go.

That's like me buying an HD800 and saying the LCD-2 is in another 'league' because the bass is more realistic, the mids are richer, and the sound is more organic.

There are always trade offs, and it's up to the individual to decide which trade offs he/she is willing to sacrifice.

 

The original comment could have done with more explanation (and I don't know the guy so I don't know if he's biased or not). But what do mean by "aimed for different purposes?" The purpose, I take it, is listening pleasure. So a fair comparison to any other model, certainly another open over ear model, makes sense. Maybe we simply disagree.

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I wonder what headphones this guy has  :popcorn:

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So only people who like the PM-1's signature are allowed comment? This isn't an appreciation thread where your suggested inbred activity is the norm.

Edited by Jimmyf1312 - 4/27/14 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

So only people who like the PM-1's signature are allowed comment? This isn't an appreciation thread where your suggested inbred activity is the norm.
+1
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More impressions please. To repeat what have said many times: If people post the music they are listening to and how loud their listen, it would resolve much of this discussion. :smile:

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

So only people who like the PM-1's signature are allowed comment? This isn't an appreciation thread where your suggested inbred activity is the norm.

No, of course not, but he didn't say what put the HD800 in another league. All he did was brand it as not worth it's price and how the HD800 is in another league. If you're going to put down a headphone, it'd be pretty fair to say WHY. Then he states that he has no interest in debating about his opinion. I wish we can all just go "Hey guys, this headphone sucks, I like this one better, that's all." Saying that and expecting that no one would ever try and counter that is just wishful thinking.

I don't own a PM-1, so I'm not invested in JUST positive impressions. I'm interested in what it does right and what it does wrong. Just saying headphone A is better than headphone B... well, yeah, THAT'S so helpful.

He could complain that the PM-1 doesn't have the soundstage of the HD800, and someone else can complain that the HD800 is a bit too lean sounding in comparison. Trading blows, basing off preferences. Neither is better or worse, just different. I remember the days when the LCD2 was the bees knees. Now, people complain that it's too closed and colored. Oh, how the pervasive bandwagon mentality shifts in opinion.

The PM-1 had a losing battle before it was even released, and that negativity more or less kept it's momentum upon release. Right now, no matter what it does right, people are going to shine a light on things if isn't as masterful with, like comparing it's soundstage to a headphone which is know to have arguably the best soundstage out there.

I'd just like some valid comparisons with something that has similar strengths and weaknesses.

I see that it has a similar curve to an HD650 and somewhat like a brighter LCD2. I'd like to know just how it stacks up to those. Both, headphones which I loved. Considering the Oppo sells for adound the price of what the LCD2 used to sell for, I'd say that is a logical comparison.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/27/14 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

^yes it does.... I bet if I said "the oppo is even more comfortable than my hd800's with detail not far behind, yet more inviting and less fatiguing" there would be non probs other than the fact that I don't have either. Don't be so legal guys it's up to the reader to filter through all the hype or disappointment and find out what is for them. Almost all bearings are useful to someone about to pull the trigger. This is a forum where people express their likes/dislikes of a product. Relating to or not relating to those preferences is what it's all about.

THIS ^ !!
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While all this was transpiring during late night hours, I was listening to my PM-1 with my eyes closed, drifting off into sonic heaven with the beautiful sounds of beautiful music. Damn!

post #1320 of 3442

^^haha...I'm anxious to get my pair in so that I can put this whole question to rest...at least for myself. :wink:

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