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post #1291 of 3447

^^ I think HFM has made there position clear on the voicing of those hp's. The 560 was exactly as they projected. I expect the 400i to be the same. But this is the Oppo thread...

post #1292 of 3447

Fair enough, no more derailing from me! :popcorn:

post #1293 of 3447
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Then you'll be looking for the 400i and not the 560. The 400i may be to my liking as well. 


Since Hifiman were voicing HE-560 more like the HE-6, and HE-400i more like the HE-500, I thought HE-560 would be the one for me. So far HE-560 impressions sound promising.

post #1294 of 3447

I'm more concerned about the roll off beginning at 1 kHz and on into the most sensitive region of human hearing than the missing frequencies at the very high end. Some think this is ideal, but I don't care.

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Rubbish. Not dark in the least. There is plenty of top end detail...just not plenty of  B R I G H T N E S S ! ! ! !


It is possible to sound dark while retaining all the detail. I think LCD-2 is like that.

 

A little less fanboyism would go a long way toward a more informative and pleasurable read for everyone.

post #1296 of 3447

Still waiting on my shipping notice. I just ordered Friday afternoon. Hoping for something tomorrow. 

post #1297 of 3447

Since you guys are debating PM-1 against other models, I was looking at other planar headphones out there, and the Abyss AB-1266 doesn't look spectaular compare to the PM-1.    Also innerfidelity's plot for compensated and averaged doesn't seem to match 5 position raw data recorded.    Why is that?  Thanks.

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Not to doubt your findings, but you're the only one who's been saying that I believe...

Regardless, Beagles are stubborn so I won't try to argue with you nor do I want to.

:gs1000smile:

 

Yeah, right...

 

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It is possible to sound dark while retaining all the detail. I think LCD-2 is like that.

 

A little less fanboyism would go a long way toward a more informative and pleasurable read for everyone.

 

Yes, just like it is possible to dim the lights and still see everyone in a room.

 

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Originally Posted by HiFiAudio View Post
 

Since you guys are debating PM-1 against other models, I was looking at other planar headphones out there, and the Abyss AB-1266 doesn't look spectaular compare to the PM-1.    Also innerfidelity's plot for compensated and averaged doesn't seem to match 5 position raw data recorded.    Why is that?  Thanks.

 

That graph looks horrible. I guess graphs don't tell the whole story? Is that possible?

post #1299 of 3447

Somebody driving on the bridge turns on the radio and hears an announcement "Be aware! A vehicle is going in the opposite direction on the bridge". He looks around and says "Not just one. All of them are driving in the wrong direction!"

post #1300 of 3447
I see an old joke that has been used properly! Hope I'll get a cookie too...
I mean if there's nothing to discuss right now, a bit of OT won't hurt, right? ^_^
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Somebody driving on the bridge turns on the radio and hears an announcement "Be aware! A vehicle is going in the opposite direction on the bridge". He looks around and says "Not just one. All of them are driving in the wrong direction!"

 

Was that you?

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Was that you?

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I'll have to think about this more, but preliminarily I strongly disagree: a headphone is a headphone is a headphone. I think it makes a lot of sense to compare everything to everything else. That's how we discover achievements and limitations.

A headphone is a headphone is a headphone, yet comparing an open headphone to a closed headphone, a bright headphone to a dark one, a bass heavy headphone to an analytical headphone helps no one, as we all have specific preferences. True comparisons are those that stack two headphones with a closer sound signature, not a significant gap like something like the HD800 and PM-1 which FWIH are nothing alike. You are bound to lean heavily towards one over the other based on your preference. The person who compared the two was already biased towards the HD800's signature to begin with, so of course the PM-1 isn't going to stack up.

I, for one would take an LCD2's sound signature over one like the HD800 99.9% of the time, because I prefer a more intimate, mid rich, euphonic sound signature, not one that aims for detail retrieval and analyzing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/27/14 at 8:04pm
post #1304 of 3447
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

A headphone is a headphone is a headphone, yet comparing an open headphone to a closed headphone, a bright headphone to a dark one, a bass heavy headphone to an analytical headphone helps no one, as we all have specific preferences. True comparisons are those that stack two headphones with a closer sound signature, not a significant gap like something like the HD800 and PM-1 which FWIH are nothing alike. You are bound to lean heavily towards one over the other based on your preference. The person who compared the two was already biased towards the HD800's signature to begin with, so of course the PM-1 isn't going to stack up.

 

I think it makes perfect sense to compare any two models of the same sort (e.g., open over ear) regardless of differences in driver and overall sound. People should put their biases aside and let the chips fall where they may.

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People can compare, just as long as OTHERS know that biases will always exist, and if you prefer a certain type of sound/tonality, the other one isn't going to be favored by the person who compares.

There's being objective, and there is the elephant in the room: your own personal tastes which often does not coincide with what is objectively better.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/27/14 at 8:06pm
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