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post #1276 of 3442
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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 

"Darker than LCD-2" is like "darker than black"... Who'd want anything darker than an LCD-2?


I agree. Too many people, including enthusiasts and professionals, reported the dark sound signature. At this point, I think people claiming "perfect frequency response" are the ones with that sound color preference. Actually, as far as I know, no one with a decent amount of headphone experience claimed perfect frequency response. It's always vague statements like "between A and B" where A is white and B is black, etc. Sooooo which shade of gray are we talking about? To me, "not darker than LCD-2" is like "not darker than black"...

 

For some, myself included, the lcd2 represents one of the most enjoyable signatures out there. It's all relative to your preferences. I don't like hp's with extended treble...even if it's very good treble without harshness or stridency. The hd800 and T1 will never work for me. I have exceptional hearing for my age and am treble sensitive. I don't need extended or resolving hp's to hear the detail. 

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Could be this is the Goldilocks model if you find HD800 too bright and LCD2 too dark. That's what I'm hoping, despite my nebulous doubts.

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After the th600 I have come to appreciate both sigs. I don't like that the th600 behaves like its open but not transparent,and an lcd2 behaves like its closed but is transparent. For that reason to have both it would make a little sense.For me to have an open brighter hp and a darker closed one. But my initial interest in the pm1 is portability and transparent mids.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 4/27/14 at 10:57am
post #1279 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

Could be this is the Goldilocks model if you find HD800 too bright and LCD2 too dark. That's what I'm hoping, despite my nebulous doubts.

 

+1 on this. It seems the general consensus is that the mids are quite good which without good mids I'd have no interest. All that remains is where the bass ends up. For almost certain a notch below the lcd2...but as long as it's reproduced with good texture and some wetness/weight then I'd be very happy. 

post #1280 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post
 

Could be this is the Goldilocks model if you find HD800 too bright and LCD2 too dark. That's what I'm hoping, despite my nebulous doubts.


I don't find such statements informative because this is not a one dimensional comparison. Frequency response is a function, not a scalar value. It's not just "much" or "less"...  Despite its wonderful qualities that I appreciate, I cannot enjoy the HD800 as much as its much less capable HD600 forebear because of its weird frequency response. While I do like the LCD-2 better, its treble is too recessed for my tastes. Then I like the HE-500 better than both.

post #1281 of 3442
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

For some, myself included, the lcd2 represents one of the most enjoyable signatures out there. It's all relative to your preferences. I don't like hp's with extended treble...even if it's very good treble without harshness or stridency. The hd800 and T1 will never work for me. I have exceptional hearing for my age and am treble sensitive. I don't need extended or resolving hp's to hear the detail. 


Sure. I can't enjoy the HD800 either, and actually prefer the LCD-2. But I find there's too much music to enjoy between 2-6KHz region where most planar headphones take a dive. A decently flat responding planar headphone after 1KHZ appears to be difficult to make. PM-1 brings a lot to the table (comfort, efficiency) but not a flat frequency is not one of them, despite the earlier comments by bigshot and a few others who helped during the development phase. We'll see about HE-560. That seems to be the best contender at this point.  

post #1282 of 3442

So... Which ear-size do these accommodate? 

 

As a comparison: I found the NAD VISO HP50 a little too small for my taste. Are the PM-1's bigger, smaller, about the same?

post #1283 of 3442
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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 


Sure. I can't enjoy the HD800 either, and actually prefer the LCD-2. But I find there's too much music to enjoy between 2-6KHz region where most planar headphones take a dive. A decently flat responding planar headphone after 1KHZ appears to be difficult to make. PM-1 brings a lot to the table (comfort, efficiency) but not a flat frequency is not one of them, despite the earlier comments by bigshot and a few others who helped during the development phase. We'll see about HE-560. That seems to be the best contender at this point.  

My hopes exactly. Initial impressions suggest so... Said to be more or less ruler flat with a slight treble sparkle. Hopefully, they're as balanced to my ears as well :P

post #1284 of 3442
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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 


Sure. I can't enjoy the HD800 either, and actually prefer the LCD-2. But I find there's too much music to enjoy between 2-6KHz region where most planar headphones take a dive. A decently flat responding planar headphone after 1KHZ appears to be difficult to make. PM-1 brings a lot to the table (comfort, efficiency) but not a flat frequency is not one of them, despite the earlier comments by bigshot and a few others who helped during the development phase. We'll see about HE-560. That seems to be the best contender at this point.  

 

And I'll retort that there's a level of pure enjoyment to be found in the lcd2's sub bass that few other hp's are able to provide. Not bloated or loose but luscious and extended...visceral and tangible in it's impact...more like a live performance. Again, I'm just looking to get close to the Audeze signature and not looking to match it. I'm trying to keep my expectations in check here. 

 

For me with both music and hp's it's all about the mids. I listen to a local of vocal-centric music. That's where the music lives for me and where I get hyper critical of sound signatures. You've got to get the mids right or you've lost me right out of the gate. The lcd line and the hd6x0 have got the mids spot on IMO. 

 

The bass and treble are important but secondary to comfort and mids in my book. Bass and sub bass are important because it tends to erase the line between listening to reproduced music and feeling like you're in the front row at a live performance. 

 

Audeze has everything right with the exception of comfort. Unfortunately comfort is #1 for me, which keeps me from owning this otherwise outstanding hp. In fact, one of the Audeze would be my end game were it not for the comfort. Probably the lcd3. Talk about beautiful mids...just give the lcd3 a thorough audition with some of your favorite female vocals watch as the hair on your arms stands straight up. You'll almost instantly stop critiquing the sound and start being amazed by the music. 

 

I have no doubt that I'll enjoy the pm-1. The only question is just how much. A lot of it will come down to how much the pm-1 compromises on sub bass impact and texture compared to the Audeze line. The treble roll off is of no concern to me whatsoever.  My other concern is that this is a first run for Oppo on hp's. I waffled a little about spend $1k on a hp that will likely be replaced by a better one in a couple of years. So far it seems that Oppo has gotten a lot right with this one. But what will they learn from this attempt when their next is released? Can't wait to hear this one for myself. 

 

:popcorn:

post #1285 of 3442

Nice to hear an Audeze lover's point of view. Than I guess PM-1 would be a great contender for you as long as the bass is to your liking. People have been uniformly raving about the built, comfort and sound quality in general. 

 

It is clear that Audeze has the strongest bass. In my case, I was happy to trade the strong bass of the LCD-2 with the better highs and a less "out of a tunnel-like" sound (stage?) of the HE-500. Even that had the bit between 2-6KHz missing. So I am looking forward to the HE-560. Built quality may not be as impressive as the PM-1, but comfort-wise it is put there with the HD800. And it just may be the first planar headphone with a decently straight frequency response that does not need a speaker amp to drive.

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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 

Nice to hear an Audeze lover's point of view. Than I guess PM-1 would be a great contender for you as long as the bass is to your liking. People have been uniformly raving about the built, comfort and sound quality in general. 

 

It is clear that Audeze has the strongest bass. In my case, I was happy to trade the strong bass of the LCD-2 with the better highs and a less "out of a tunnel-like" sound (stage?) of the HE-500. Even that had the bit between 2-6KHz missing. So I am looking forward to the HE-560. Built quality may not be as impressive as the PM-1, but comfort-wise it is put there with the HD800. And it just may be the first planar headphone with a decently straight frequency response that does not need a speaker amp to drive.

Then you'll be looking for the 400i and not the 560. The 400i may be to my liking as well. 

post #1287 of 3442
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I am getting a tiny bit confused and here is why:

 

- some say its dark

- some say its not dark

- graphs show it darker than the hd650 with the same peek in treble at about 9k but the oppo doing a cliff dive after that and the hd650 not losing all of the treble after that.

 

Rubbish. Not dark in the least. There is plenty of top end detail...just not plenty of  B R I G H T N E S S ! ! ! !

post #1288 of 3442
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Then you'll be looking for the 400i and not the 560. The 400i may be to my liking as well. 

Well, we don't really know exactly what will set those two apart... We assume the 560 will be more neutral and the 400i will be warmer. But just how different or similar is up in the air.

We'll find out soon enough I guess... 

post #1289 of 3442
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

 

Rubbish. Not dark in the least. There is plenty of top end detail...just not plenty of  B R I G H T N E S S ! ! ! !

Not to doubt your findings, but you're the only one who's been saying that I believe...

Regardless, Beagles are stubborn so I won't try to argue with you nor do I want to.

:gs1000smile:

post #1290 of 3442
So not bright but neutral/flat?
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