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Open Head Phones & Dac/Amp combo for electronic music 400$ (HD650, Philips X1, DT990 600ohm)

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone, I am going to be in Berlin next month and I am interested in a pair of new open headphones. 

First of all I am really new to the Hifi world, I have recently purchase a gr07 BE for an IEM's and I absolutely love them and now I want something more stationary and comfortable.

 

After reading a lot of what kind of hp are the one for me, I got really confused so many choices.

- My budget is: 285$ - 430$ for an HeadPhone + AMP/DAC, I would really like to stay on the low side of it, maybe even by cans and dac now and the rest in the future.

- My listening sources are: Laptop with a ****ty sound card (70%), iPhone 4 (20%), iRiver IHP 120 (10%),  Home theater receiver Pioneer vsx521. (By that order)

- Sound: I really love the sound of my gr07BE, I like their punchy bass and how warm they are, I would really like a warm headphones even more than the gr07BE with a strong bass impact and depth, I guess I can consider myself a bass head tough I don't want the bass to over power mids and highs, the gr07BE really does it for me, though i would like a bit more bass and sound stage, there for open cans.

 - I usually listen to a variety of genres, but if I could rate them I would rate them like that:

1) Electronic ( Dubstep, Psytrance), 60% 

2.1) Pop - Adele, Amy winhouse, 10 %

2.2) Rock ? Arctric monkeys, Kings of Leon 10%

3) Hiphop, r&b: Pharrel Williams 10%

4) Everything else ? reggae, vocals..( peggy lee)  10% 

 

After reading so many topics I assume I  have a direction of some sort.

 

HeadPhones: 

1) Philips X1: They really fit the description of a good open bass headphones, and price wise they are the cheapest and they will probably won't need a very expensive amp/dac set (their price variant from 150-240$), cons: irreplaceable pads - looking for headphones to last a long time.

2) HD650: Alot of people recommend those and from what i read they can fit the description as well, cons: expensive right now and they an expensive amp/dac

3) DT 990 600ohm: could also fit, though they are really hard to push HP meaning an expensive amp/dac and I guess I can forget about using them with an iPhone without a portable amp.

 

Amp / Dac: I do need an amp + dac since my sound card is ****ty, I really want the HP to stay warm with a good bass impact with maintaining the balance of the mids and highs.

1) hd650 and DT660: o2 + odac or the Schiit Stack (Magni + Modi)

 they are not cheap so if I do go for one of them i will have to settle in one part of them for now, though I not 100% sure since I heard they are really bright combos, and I don't want them to affect the HP this way. ( hurting the bass) 

2) x1: I could go for something a lot more versatile and cheap like an e17 or aune T1 ? 

 

 

Ok so first thank you for reading so far :)  and second here come my questions: 

1) What Do you think will be the best combo for considering all my needs and budget? 

2) Any other recommendation other that what I wrote ? 

3) In my country its hard to find anything to listen to or buy and even if we do have its very expensive. 

so anyway I will probably be ordering threw Amazon or just buy them when I go to Berlin next month, So here comes another question, Do you guys know of any good places to try out this headphones/amp/dacs together? and of course buy if the price is right? I will be there for only the weekend so I won't have much time to search around so I do need a recommendation to where to go, maybe something in Alexa mall?

 

Any other comments will be appreciated, thank you.

post #2 of 14

Headphones I own are Grado SR80i, Denon D2000, Senn. Momentum and Fidelio X1. Due to the generally low impedance own all these headphones I own a Fiio E17. In terms of electronic music I think the X1s are well suited for this. They do fairly well with HipHop but feel like they were built for music like Nine Inch Nails where a solid low end and decent sound stage are a must for their later stuff. IMO not quite the attack you'd want for hard rock. Does quite well for bands like Muse, A Perfect Circle as well as classic rock and acoustic music. The mids are slightly recessed but not enough to really take away from most music I enjoy. Bands like Tool and Florence+Machine the vocals take maybe a step or 2 back. Lower mids maybe a bit further. 

 

I will say that the X1s are fun right out of the box and trigger a visceral response that really makes music enjoyable. Compared to the Beyer 880s they are somewhat less detailed but more open sounding and overall more lively from the get go. The Beyers, however, paint a more cohesive picture of the music. From what I've heard the 990s may be a bit more V shaped or fun sounding. 

 

From your description of your musical tastes I seriously doubt you'd be unhappy with the Fidelio X1s at around $200. They're really a good value.

post #3 of 14
The X1 are good for what you need. You could also consider the HE400 which has even deeper bass for electronic music, though less in midbass unless you EQ it.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benthughes View Post
 

Headphones I own are Grado SR80i, Denon D2000, Senn. Momentum and Fidelio X1. Due to the generally low impedance own all these headphones I own a Fiio E17. In terms of electronic music I think the X1s are well suited for this. They do fairly well with HipHop but feel like they were built for music like Nine Inch Nails where a solid low end and decent sound stage are a must for their later stuff. IMO not quite the attack you'd want for hard rock. Does quite well for bands like Muse, A Perfect Circle as well as classic rock and acoustic music. The mids are slightly recessed but not enough to really take away from most music I enjoy. Bands like Tool and Florence+Machine the vocals take maybe a step or 2 back. Lower mids maybe a bit further. 

 

I will say that the X1s are fun right out of the box and trigger a visceral response that really makes music enjoyable. Compared to the Beyer 880s they are somewhat less detailed but more open sounding and overall more lively from the get go. The Beyers, however, paint a more cohesive picture of the music. From what I've heard the 990s may be a bit more V shaped or fun sounding. 

 

From your description of your musical tastes I seriously doubt you'd be unhappy with the Fidelio X1s at around $200. They're really a good value.

Thank you for your response, the X1 are definitely in the lead for me and with there price tag and low impedance.

I wish more people that had both beyer 990 and x1 could jump in and comment.. 

If i could try them it would just solve the problem for me :\

so considering taking a low impedance headphone the fiio e17 is recommend also for stationary use?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post

The X1 are good for what you need. You could also consider the HE400 which has even deeper bass for electronic music, though less in midbass unless you EQ it.

This two reviews on YouTube says the He 400 aren't for me, the sound is very balanced maybe too balanced and the bass impact is not so big, maybe they are a good headphones but its sounds like they are not for me maybe I am wrong? after reading this thread i am very confused, on the other hand the sound of the hd650 just intreed me, Its consider an all a rounder headphones, maybe that's what i need? maybe their warmth will sufficient for me ? 

 

 


Edited by atraf - 3/29/14 at 9:31pm
post #5 of 14

That's a tough one, especially saying that people are telling you what is and isn't good for you. The Fidelio X1 is a great can and people rave about them but there are definitely other headphones at the pricepoint that I prefer. They're more warmish with plenty of oomph but not fast enough for metal. I prefer a brighter and more detailed sound but lean toward headphones that are more "fun" sounding than resolving.

 

As for the Fiio E17, all the headphones I own are relatively low impedance and the Fiio just gives them more oomph. Probably just providing more headroom and dynamic range over the outputs of my laptop and Apple devices. Generally I run the Fiio from the optical output of my MacBook as that's where most of my high resolution files live. When I'm out and about I'm using IEMs which don't benefit from an amp like full sized cans do. Not worth toting around although it is extremely portable.

 

I'm getting a pair of modded Grado 325i for my faster stuff. I think the Grados and X1 would cover pretty much all your bases ( subjectively). I could stop there but I'm certainly not going to.

post #6 of 14
Rather than going for the DT990 600, go for the DT990 Pro 250. They tend to run less which would leave you more for a dac/amp.

Otherwise, I highly recommend the HE-400. Amazing headphones for all kinds of EDM. You'll love the texturing the bass emphasis and the planar magnetic detail resolution gives to wobbles biggrin.gif
post #7 of 14
Oh, and see this review of the HE-400: http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HE400

I think it very accurately describes what to get from those headphones.
post #8 of 14

The HE-400 respond well to EQ so if there isn't enough bass you can EQ it up.  

post #9 of 14

There ya go! Sound is such a subjective thing. People praise the Beyer DT880s here left and right. I had a chance to hear the 250ohm version and was underwhelmed. Very balanced with a decent amount of detail but just kind of boring sounding. I'm sure they could be better with a good amp and and some getting used to but prefer a bit of a V-Shape. Technically the HE-500 is a better can but I think I'd probably enjoy the HE-400 more. 

 

That being said, I've got my "fun" cans so maybe some HE-500s are in my future.

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

Having a low impedance headphones does have a lot of advantages especially budget wise..

I wish I had more experience with headphones to decide which one is best of for me, I was considering the beyer 600ohm version because I read its better for my type of music than the 250ohm tough 600ohm is a lot and it will probably need a very expensive powerful amp that will surely won't feet my other needs like my IEM's.

 

This is just too hard to decide between the he-400 or the hd650 since I have no idea how hifi open headphones even sounds like, maybe I am not a bass head as much as I think? I do have to add that in my gr07be or the ath m50 which I have heard the bass always catch my "eye" its always what my ears are focusing at so maybe I am a bass head I dunno :) 

 

Maybe choosing the hd650 will be a safer choice considering its an all rounder headphone, and then focusing its color to my taste with an amp if needed?

I will put more effort in finding a place to listen to one of them, this is the definitely not a decision I would like to regret. 

 

Thank you all for responding so far, any more comments will be welcomed :)

post #11 of 14
Ask some of the GR07 Bass Edition owners what they think would be a good compliment: http://www.head-fi.org/t/630585/vsonic-gr07-bass-edition-impressions
post #12 of 14

From reading a lot of Tylls post from inner fidelity Hi-fi seems to be resolving with a warm tilt. I tend not to like this warm tilt but also don't consider myself to be an audiophile. I likes what I likes. I get the impression that I wouldn't like the HD650s but they're so highly regarded I feel like I'll have to give them a go someday ( more likely the HD600). I like Shure 535s which are pretty colored, Grados which are also considered detailed but far from neutral and my Denon D2000 which are V-shaped. I like the Fidelios but they are pretty close to the D2000 except the Denons are a bit brighter  and seem to seperate better. 

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Rather than going for the DT990 600, go for the DT990 Pro 250. They tend to run less which would leave you more for a dac/amp.

Otherwise, I highly recommend the HE-400. Amazing headphones for all kinds of EDM. You'll love the texturing the bass emphasis and the planar magnetic detail resolution gives to wobbles biggrin.gif

Do you have an idea if the big price difference between DT990 600 and DT990 Pro 250 is worth it?

 

I might of find a place to listen to the hd650 so will get another reference point and come back with my thoughts :) 

Thank you guys.

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Ok guys I am back after listening to the hd598, q701, grado qs1000i, hd650 and all i can say is WOW !!!

first of all my favorite and best headphones for me was the hd650, its definitely an all rounder, I was surprised how good sound can be, the bass was just shaking my ears feeling it in my bones , loving it !! I want it !!! :)

I am 99% precent sure I want to buy them tough I am afraid it was because of the of super duper amp/dac I used at the store (Naim Audio DAC-V1 definitely got something to aspire too), what do you say? 

can I replicate that sound quality with 200-300 amp/dac combo?

What combo can come close to that ? 

 

 


Edited by atraf - 4/3/14 at 9:46am
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