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post #151 of 204
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Originally Posted by Edwood View Post
 

Updated first post with my in progress review.

You really think the new pads are under-damped? I feel it damps perfectly, compared to the HFM velour pads which are IMO over-damped (hence losing control over the upper end, and causing bass to lose body).

 

The velour pads actually cause more immediate reflections as their inner surfaces are all reflective vinyl, while the new HFM pads are lined with permeable mesh fabric on the inside-facing surfaces.


Edited by jerg - 4/22/14 at 7:19pm
post #152 of 204
Thread Starter 

I think perhaps it may be more of the spacing of the pads, being considerable thicker, they move the transducers further away.  Kind of like the Grado Bowls vs. Flats.

 

Whatever it is, it causes some undesirable effects to sound quality of the HE-6.  We'll see what the final pads are like when the final production model is out.


Edited by Edwood - 4/22/14 at 7:33pm
post #153 of 204

Yeah, the distance from the ears to the drivers makes a huge impact on the tonal balance..I've actually been talking to Fang about it.

 

I doubt the HE560 production earpads will be any different from the test unit ones though, maybe some cosmetic improvements at best. Do you have intel about major changes coming to the production unit pads or is it pure speculation on your part?

post #154 of 204
Doesn't that depend on the size and shape of one's ears?
People with bigger ears will be closer, others will be further away.
I am more of the former.
post #155 of 204

Hifiman told me the official 560 review units might be sent out next week

post #156 of 204

Well, what about the 560 retail units -_-

post #157 of 204

I suppose a while after the review units

post #158 of 204
Well they better keep up their late April release date since it's been made public...
I've been grinding my nails since the Feb preorder.
post #159 of 204
How are the jerg pads on the he560
post #160 of 204

I wonder how the soundstage is compared to HD800. Granted, there is a price gap there.

post #161 of 204
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Originally Posted by Dark_wizzie View Post
 

I wonder how the soundstage is compared to HD800. Granted, there is a price gap there.

 

indeed that would be an interesting comparison.

 

before I could bring myself to Click the pre-order on a HE-560, I'm back to investigating HD800 for the elements of soundstage, accuracy, bass yet-not-basshead,

as well as it being "easier to drive" with less powerful (yet still quality) amps....

post #162 of 204
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Originally Posted by Edwood View Post
 

HiFiMan HE-560 Review

 

Review to come, need some quality, quiet, late night listening time for a few days.  I will update this thread soon.  In the meantime, enjoy the pics.

 

Review is in progress.

 

 

 

 

HARDWARE USED

Source = HiFiMan HM-901
Amp = HiFiMan EF-6


HEADPHONES COMPARED

HE-6
HE-500


MUSIC USED


COMFORT AND WEARABILITY

- New Headband is the largest improvement, much more comfortable, A larger range of adjustment, and now suitable for those with other than large and larger heads. There is less clamping force.
- The new Hybrid Leather / Velour Faced Earpads are the best of both worlds.  The softness and suppleness of leather, with the more hot weather friendly velour touching your face.  There is a slight angle to the pads, being thicker at the back.  The stitching is not easily felt on the face.

- Weight, the HE-560 weighs significantly less than the HE-6.  The HE-560 weighs in at 395grams(?Oz), while the HE-6 weighs in a heftier 557grams(?Oz).

 

 

FIT and FINISH

The Ear cups are now made of Teak wood with a satin, almost unfinished look.  The styling is refined, without being flashy.  The Headband is glossy painted spring steel.  The ear cup hangers and headband sling adjusters are a matte black plastic.

 

 

INDUSTRIAL DESIGN AND STYLING

HiFiMan takes an evolutionary approach to styling, with form following function.  The ear cups are the familiar cylinder shape with chamfered edges. The ear cups depth are shallower now, so they are not quite as thick, meaning they will stick out slightly less than the HE-500 and HE-6. (Measurements?)  The Cables use the same connectors as before, but the connector exits are at a more forward angle, so they are worn, the cables exits are tilted forward rather than straight down.

Most notable change is the Headband.  Completely new, the new headband employs a single spring steel headband for tension, while an adjustable headband sling is what rests on the top of your head.  The sling is attached to the sides with adjusters that have positive notches for adjustment up and down, giving a much wider range of adjustment than the previous HiFiMan HE headphones.  The Adjustments are fixed dimple holes, so they do not have the finer adjustment of the predecessors. You can somewhat get an in between half step adjustment by raising or lowering just one side rather than both at once.  I have a rather large head, but I still have 1 notch left over on both sides.  My wife has never been able to wear the previous HE Headphones without wrapping a towel or cloth around the headband to reduce the headspace clearance height, but the HE-560 at the

smallest adjustment fits her perfectly.

The Ear Pads are completely new as well.  Inspired by Sennheiser and jerg's ear pad modifications, they are a very soft, thin, and lambskin like PU Leather on the sides, and a fine plush velvet microfiber on the face sides.  They are very finely stitched together, I do not feel any scratchy protrusions from seam stitching.  The attachment method is

the same as previous HE Headphones, so you can buy these new Ear Pads separately for use with previous HE Headphones like the HE-500 and HE-6.
Since the ear pads are deeper, angled, and reflect the sound a bit due to the less acoustically transparent PU Leather, they do alter the sound characteristics.  So far, I am finding that these pads give a slight increase in bass due to the better seal of sound.  There are some undesirable sound changes as well as desirable changes with the HE-6, depending on your sound preferences.  I found that these Ear Pads slightly soften the edge of the high treble frequencies of the HE-6.  The Mid bass does seems to get a bit more emphasized due to the aforementioned better seal.  Overall, the added internal sound reflection of these new ear pads reduce the tranparency and airiness of the HE-6 for me, giving it a bit more of a tunnelish honkiness to the soundstage signature.   

 

 

SOUND QUALITY

 

SOUNDSTAGE
The HE-560 has a wider and more even soundstage presentation than the HE-6. Comparing the soundstages from what I can hear with the HE-560 vs. the HE-6, the HE-560 is more of a pinched oval while the HE-6 is more squished circular in shape (Not a perfect circle). <Insert Image Illustration> The HE-560 has a wider soundstage, but less deep than the HE-6.  The HE-6 has a deeper soundstage, but not as wide.  

<HE-500 comparison here>
The HE-560 is not quite as airy and transparent as the HE-6, though.

 

DETAILS
The HE-560 is a big improvement in details compared to the HE-500.  Compared to the HE-6, it's very close, almost too close to call.  A lot of the sound quality differences come down to the soundstage and especially in dynamics, which will be addressed below.

 

PRAT (Pace Rhythm and Timing)


DYNAMICS
The #1 area where the HE-6 is still superior to the HE-560.  The HE-560 is still no slouch or laid back by any standard.  It just lacks the sheer punch and viseralness of the HE-6 when properly amped.  


FREQUENCY RESPONSE

-BASS - Tight and extends low.  Bass is tighter than HE-500 and a little bit tighter than the HE-6 as well.  I can feel bass all the way down to 12 Hz, although this feat was to be expected as previous HE-500 and HE-6 are able extend that low as well.

-TREBLE - Far smoother than the HE-6, but more extension than the HE-500.   

-MID RANGE - More neutral than the HE-500, but still a bit warmer than the HE-6.  The HE-560 is more reference level sound than colored, but not too analytical sounding.


CONCLUSION

 

 

For those that are wondering, this HE-560 weighs in at 395g vs the HE-6 weighing in at a hefty 557g.

 

Between the Leather(pleather?) Velour faced Ear pads, the new head band, and the lighter weight, the HE-560 is one of the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn.

 

Also, the biggest stand out so far is how fast and smooth the sounds are, especially the treble.

I really need to listen to an HE 6 :[ from what you've mentioned it sounds like to me the HE 6 might be the next step up from my HE 4 in terms of sound, as I strongly prefer the HE 4 bright treble and very lean mids... but ofc I'll have to listen to the HE 560 before I can make a final decision :3 

post #163 of 204
I am glad that the 560 has some warmth to it in the midrange,etc.
Really seems like a great middle ground between the 500 and 6.
The 6 lacked that little warmth. It was a bit light and lacked sone musicality IMO at times on my old setup.
post #164 of 204
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

I am glad that the 560 has some warmth to it in the midrange,etc.
Really seems like a great middle ground between the 500 and 6.
The 6 lacked that little warmth. It was a bit light and lacked sone musicality IMO at times on my old setup.

They are okabar after all.

 

However, I don't feel the 560 has warmer midrange. The HE-6 has better texture still, and this is part of tone for me. The 6s are more meaty.

The 560 are less dry than the HE-4, though.

post #165 of 204
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

They are okabar after all.

 

However, I don't feel the 560 has warmer midrange. The HE-6 has better texture still, and this is part of tone for me. The 6s are more meaty.

The 560 are less dry than the HE-4, though.

Less dry... eww 

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