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post #886 of 8235

I read that and thanks for refreshing my memory, sorry for making you double post.

 

I guess what I am saying is that I have never tried a headphone with a really great soundstage with hip hop etc. I listen to a lot of music though so I love soundstage on other genres. I just know that I have read that a headphone like the hd800 is not good for hip hop etc. The he6 is good for those however I have read. So I am just wondering if it can do well with hip hop, reggae, r&b, edm and such like the he500 can. 

 

My wife said the he500 didnt have enough bass but to me it was a genre master and took anything I threw at it. I guess I may be curious if its bigger soundstage makes it more genre selective. I know it can excel in binaural recordings etc but I am also wondering how it fairs with hip hop or reggae like:

 

 

(excuse me if you find that to sound like crap but thats ME lol)


Edited by grizzlybeast - 4/5/14 at 11:35am
post #887 of 8235
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I get what you're saying, a soundstage needs to be both good in quantity (the holographic size of it) and quality (how convincing the "out of the head" cues are; some call it the 3D imaging capability). HE500 has a fairly constricted and oval headstage but every audio cue is convincing in where they are placed, even if most of them happen to be somewhere inside your cranium in spatial projection.

 

I commented as soon as I put the HE560s on over a week ago that the 3D imaging was phenomenal, that was what jumped out to me asap. Then after a few days I felt for how large the soundstage was and commented on that also (first post this thread), where it is substantially wider to the sides, and slightly deeper forward, compared to my HE500. The combination of the headstage being sufficiently large and the great imaging makes these killer for anything where you need the soundstage to perform (binaural recordings, films, gaming), and I've tried all of those and came away impressed.

 

That said, the depth of the headstage still isn't super; I suspect that is more of a matter of how angled the drivers are toward the ears (the new earpads are very slightly angled, but not nearly as much as say Audeze pads, or the angling of the HD800 for instance).

And here I was starting to doubt the 560, with all the Oppo hype getting to me...

Then here you are, reminding me again why I am looking forward to the 560 as my current all-purpose killer headphone :]

I'll be keeping my eye on Oppo, but the 560 pre-order will stay in place.

 

I was wondering what exactly do you mean by headstage depth?

Do you mean the forward and backward projection of instruments? As in the soundstage goes well from left to right but the front and back of the stage is not so good, while being able to place and pick audio cues with ease.

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

And here I was starting to doubt the 560, with all the Oppo hype getting to me...

Then here you are, reminding me again why I am looking forward to the 560 as my current all-purpose killer headphone :]

I'll be keeping my eye on Oppo, but the 560 pre-order will stay in place.

 

I was wondering what exactly do you mean by headstage depth?

Do you mean the forward and backward projection of instruments? As in the soundstage goes well from left to right but the front and back of the stage is not so good, while being able to place and pick audio cues with ease.

Yeah I like to call it headstage more than soundstage because it's really just in the head (in more ways than one). And yes its about forward/backward axis projection vs left/right axis projection of cues.

post #889 of 8235
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

I read that and thanks for refreshing my memory, sorry for making you double post.

I guess what I am saying is that I have never tried a headphone with a really great soundstage with hip hop etc. I listen to a lot of music though so I love soundstage on other genres. I just know that I have read that a headphone like the hd800 is not good for hip hop etc. The he6 is good for those however I have read. So I am just wondering if it can do well with hip hop, reggae, r&b, edm and such like the he500 can. 

My wife said the he500 didnt have enough bass but to me it was a genre master and took anything I threw at it. I guess I may be curious if its bigger soundstage makes it more genre selective. I know it can excel in binaural recordings etc but I am also wondering how it fairs with hip hop or reggae like:


 
(excuse me if you find that to sound like crap but thats ME lol)
Hip hop and reggae don't really focus on soundstage in my experience. You may be trying to create something that isn't there. I've yet to hear an audiophile reggae recording. I love both styles FYI. Just not my go to for expansive soundstage.
post #890 of 8235
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post


Hip hop and reggae don't really focus on soundstage in my experience. You may be trying to create something that isn't there. I've yet to hear an audiophile reggae recording. I love both styles FYI. Just not my go to for expansive soundstage

Thats not the point. but thanks!:wink:

 

I want the soundstage on my other music. I listen to jazz, rock, soul, instrumental music and a lot of others. Just not classical, heavy metal, and country. 

 

The point is that I know it can do the above well and I want the soundstage there. But will it sound awkward on hip hop and reggae like the akg k712 did. Ie if the akg k712 had a more cohesive sound it would do well with those genres like the he500 does but its soundstage is unnatural. So all i want to know is, not if it will enhance hip hop and reggae soundstages but if overall with the lighter sound and bigger soundstage than the he500 can it still do those genres well like the he6 and he500 because those are genre masters. 

 

in short is it a genre master or not? or is it more genre selective than the he500 and he6.

post #891 of 8235
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Yeah I like to call it headstage more than soundstage because it's really just in the head (in more ways than one). And yes its about forward/backward axis projection vs left/right axis projection of cues.

Get it. So, to visualize so to speak, would you pick no.1? [blips being the instruments...] 2 being holographic/even in depth and width, 4 being deep but lacking in width, 1 being wide with decent depth and 3 being wide with poor depth projection. Height does not apply.

Thanks.

 


Edited by conquerator2 - 4/5/14 at 1:03pm
post #892 of 8235
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Get it. So, to visualize so to speak, would you pick no.1? [blips being the instruments...] 2 being holographic/even in depth and width, 4 being deep but lacking in width, 1 being wide with decent depth and 3 being wide with poor depth projection. Height does not apply.
Thanks.



Excellent, very clear !.☺
Édit. : but you schould have five points and not four, no ?
Edited by Rudiger - 4/5/14 at 1:09pm
post #893 of 8235
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Excellent, very clear !.☺
Édit. : but you schould have five points and not four, no ?

Thanks :beerchug:

A jiffy in paint but it's clear.

What's missing? There's no headphone with amazing depth bot mediocre width IMO, certainly not the 560, so I found it redundant. :]


Edited by conquerator2 - 4/5/14 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

I read that and thanks for refreshing my memory, sorry for making you double post.

I guess what I am saying is that I have never tried a headphone with a really great soundstage with hip hop etc. I listen to a lot of music though so I love soundstage on other genres. I just know that I have read that a headphone like the hd800 is not good for hip hop etc. The he6 is good for those however I have read. So I am just wondering if it can do well with hip hop, reggae, r&b, edm and such like the he500 can. 

My wife said the he500 didnt have enough bass but to me it was a genre master and took anything I threw at it. I guess I may be curious if its bigger soundstage makes it more genre selective. I know it can excel in binaural recordings etc but I am also wondering how it fairs with hip hop or reggae like:


 
(excuse me if you find that to sound like crap but thats ME lol)

I've found them to actually be the best so far for that genre.
post #895 of 8235
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Get it. So, to visualize so to speak, would you pick no.1? [blips being the instruments...] 2 being holographic/even in depth and width, 4 being deep but lacking in width, 1 being wide with decent depth and 3 being wide with poor depth projection. Height does not apply.

Thanks.

 

Headstage doesn't sound like that to me, typically it's more like (5 mins in MSpaint)

 

 

 

Where the front sort of caves in, and the back fades away, and the most coherent areas are the arcs covering about 90 degrees on either side of the head.

 

Headphones with more rounded headstages will have the front concavity a little less inward.

post #896 of 8235
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post


I've found them to actually be the best so far for that genre.

GREAT!!!

 

so they are good all arounders. That answers it.

post #897 of 8235
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Headstage doesn't sound like that to me, typically it's more like (5 mins in MSpaint)

 

 

 

Where the front sort of caves in, and the back fades away, and the most coherent areas are the arcs covering about 90 degrees on either side of the head.

 

Headphones with more rounded headstages will have the front concavity a little less inward.

 

Fair enough, more effort and kudos for the explanation. I obviously agree about the 90* being the most accurate and front/rear center, left and right being harder to nail right,

So with that in mind, saying the headstage depth isn't super, does it mean that it is still satisfactory/does not put the headphones to shame in this regard, compared to others? I haven't heard the 500 so not really sure how those fared...


Edited by conquerator2 - 4/5/14 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

dang it, just when I was reconsidering selling stuff for it. I still want to hear it though. Its just that my endgame for a while has to have full mids like the he500. I also wonder if it having an expansive soundstage makes it less cohesive like an akg or something. I doubt that though, just a little smidgen curious there.

so far it reads a smidge v-shape above neutral.

 

See my comments in my review thread about vague descriptions like full, rich, organic and forward - what is full to me may be rich to you, etc.  Semantics should not rule what headphone you buy.

post #899 of 8235
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

GREAT!!!

 

so they are good all arounders. That answers it.

Yup, I tried to get them to sound bad with a particular genre, but couldn't. On a side note, check this out:

 

  

 

It's a reggae sound with a...

post #900 of 8235

Comparing the soundstages (headstage) from what I can hear with the HE-560 vs. the HE-6, the HE-560 is more "oval" while the HE-6 is more circular in shape (Not a perfect circle).  The HE-560 has a wider soundstage, but less deep than the HE-6.  The HE-6 has a deeper soundstage, but not as wide.

 

The ear pads effect the soundstage as well, I'm going to do a head to head with same ear pads as well.  But those are my initial impressions about the soundstage. 


Edited by Edwood - 4/5/14 at 7:32pm
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