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post #7771 of 8340
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

@conquerator2

Have you tried removing the dust cloth on one set of grills and comparing to no grill? I find the same positive gains but not in the same extent although close. Have protection and an open sound, win-win.

My modded grills won't have cloth for quite some time at least so I'll get to do that too smily_headphones1.gif
post #7772 of 8340

I saw someone do this but has anyone else try taking the fabric out of the earpad?  I'm tempted but I don't really want to do something complete irreversible.

There's already that sheer covering to protect the driver..

post #7773 of 8340
Jerg says it squeezes the last bit of detail and since the pads come with a cloth cover you're technically still covered.


Wait, I forget if you're suppose to remove the pad cloth or driver cloth... @jerg?
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Originally Posted by SBranson View Post

I saw someone do this but has anyone else try taking the fabric out of the earpad?  I'm tempted but I don't really want to do something complete irreversible.
There's already that sheer covering to protect the driver..

Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 8/31/14 at 2:37pm
post #7774 of 8340

I've been using the focus pads almost exclusively except for the initial comparison.  Since upgrading my cable to a Whiplash Audio silver litz cable, I've been very pleased but I can really notice what I think is that peak everyone mentions.  I still like the perceived extra detail of the Focus over the Focus-A pads and thought that maybe the Focus-As without the membrane would be the "perfect pad".

Not brave enough yet to try it.  

 

btw, what I meant was to take the fabric off the pad and leave the sheer one on the headphone, not the other way 'round as I take it your post suggests.


Edited by SBranson - 8/31/14 at 2:40pm
post #7775 of 8340

ps... with the Focus pads I had taken to eq'ing the bass up just a little to compensate but when I switched back to the Focus-As, I turned off that eq'ing.  So.. if that fabric gone gives that extra detail... hmmm.

post #7776 of 8340

Question about the fit ---

 

When I put the headphones on, the leather band on the top of my head comes around 1 cm away from hitting the top of the headphone band, but when I adjust the cans to have the leather band move further down (so it is not close to touching the top), i feel like my head is exerting too much pressure on the leather band. i believe that the band should be as far away from the top of the headphones as possible, but I was wondering what you folks thought?

 

thanks.

post #7777 of 8340
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 

 Then when you go to their profile you notice they have very little experience with gear at all so their claim is almost meaningless.

 

 Many profiles do not indicate anything about experience. Maybe post count on headfi, but that IS meaningless when considering experience levels.

Everyone's thoughts are meaningful, at least to them. No reason to bristle in any case. People can form their own opinions. We are not saving the world here.

post #7778 of 8340
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Originally Posted by petezjunior View Post

 

 ...i believe that the band should be as far away from the top of the headphones as possible...

 

Why do you believe that?  I just adjust it so it's comfortable and makes a good seal.  I can't imagine there's anything more to it than that but if you have a reason, do tell.

post #7779 of 8340
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Originally Posted by mandrake50 View Post
 

 Many profiles do not indicate anything about experience. Maybe post count on headfi, but that IS meaningless when considering experience levels.

Everyone's thoughts are meaningful, at least to them. No reason to bristle in any case. People can form their own opinions. We are not saving the world here.


You'll notice that I said " There are times where you will read that member x just ...." The key thing to notice is the wording there are times, meaning not all of the time. Regardless, I would still say that in the context of the situation I was discussing if you go to a profile and it says nothing about the members experience, if you are trying to make an educated decision about what gear to buy, best to treat a blank profile as meaning little experience. That is just common sense to evaluate opinions based on as much information as you can gather; and most certainly experience with gear counts for quite a bit. Again, I am speaking very specifically about making a buying decision based on the opinions of somebody else, at least partially. Would you really like to make a decision to buy something or avoid something based on the opinion of somebody who had very little experience from which to have a frame of reference? I know I wouldn't.

 

I think you over extrapolated with what I was saying and took it to mean that in my view only experienced members opinions count and therefore only experienced members should express their views. Not at all what I meant. I was deliberately using that example as it does happen from time-to-time and should be consider. Now when I first started here on head-fi, my experience with headphones really wasting particularly extensive, and as such I would not at all be offended if people took what I had to say into account, but went to more experienced users for the real scoop. Nothing wrong with that, and that is what I am suggesting everybody on this site should do. Listen to everybody by all means, even somebody who is very new to the hobby can have an excellent ear and be equally as adept at expressing what they hear to others. However; you really can't know that as easily so you should still really get as much information from the most experienced sources, and then look for a consensus opinion. I think that does not amount to ignoring seemingly less experienced members opinions, I think it is about weighting the opinions based on the best evidence at hand that you have about how reliable that information likely is. Like it or not, experience counts. I know if I'm under the knife of a surgical resident I am just that much less confident than if it is the surgical instructor with 12 years experience slicing into me. Just sayin.

 

Just noticed that you said no need to bristle, brother, I'm married, I can assure you some discussion on head-fi won't get me bristling, my skin is a little thicker than that. Anyway, cheers brother.


Edited by Sonic Defender - 8/31/14 at 5:19pm
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^Well said SD, BTW really enjoying Mark Knopfler, "Sailing to Philadelphia" presently, great music, thanks for the recommendation!
post #7781 of 8340
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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

I'll have to disagree with all the posts about amping the HE560, it's driven quite well even on a portable amp like a X3 or Stepdance, that is unless you listen at ridiculously loud volumes.

And I agree with you Za to disagree about amping the HE560 being difficult. My Oppo BRP-105 that I normally use as the front end, does an excellent job by itself driving the 560's. When you eliminate wires and connections that sometimes takes away from the sound, with the Oppo 105 there is nothing but headphone cable between it and the 560.

 

But, having the Lyr 2 with the right tubes in my system with the Oppo 105, it really adds to the dynamics.

 

I drove my ex-HE500's with the Schiit Vali with excellent results. But, I don't have the Vali now, so I can't tell you first hand how it drives the 560... but, I bet it does a pretty good job.

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On head-fi, the more expensive the headphone the more difficult it is to amp.

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Originally Posted by Wildcatsare1 View Post

^Well said SD, BTW really enjoying Mark Knopfler, "Sailing to Philadelphia" presently, great music, thanks for the recommendation!


Love that album. Okay, if you don't already have it, run don't walk, and get Two Against Nature by Steely Dan. Trust me, there are very few albums that I have ever experienced that combine incredible quality of recording/mastering with equally incredible music. It is easily a reference album for me as. Start off with the song Negative Girl, you'll be hooked. And thanks, I feel bad when I don't do a good job qualifying what I mean so I like to get things cleared up quickly and in a way that doesn't lead to a pissing match. Not that an ex linebacker like you ever got into a pissing match right brother?:wink_face:

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Originally Posted by SBranson View Post
 

ps... with the Focus pads I had taken to eq'ing the bass up just a little to compensate but when I switched back to the Focus-As, I turned off that eq'ing.  So.. if that fabric gone gives that extra detail... hmmm.

Trust me... it does as much as replacing the grills with good breathing grills, such as the ones Matt Poe made for me. Removing the pads' cloth curtain really opens up the sound and you hear everything this headphone has to offer... which is quite a lot!

 

Hey, if you don't like it, you can buy new pads cheap. But, I can't imagine anyone not liking the result. But... there's some who don't like peanut butter / jelly sandwiches. But, try both... you might like 'em!

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

On head-fi, the more expensive the headphone the more difficult it is to amp.


Surely there are times when an amp can make a difference? What I think happens in this debate is that people read into what others are saying and think the opinions are all inclusive, black and white positions. For my part, and I stand by this, the Asgard 2 did an excellent job amping my 560; however, I believe the A18 is just a little better across the board. Sure the A18 is more expensive, but that doesn't mean that I think price alone matters. I'm sure there is a relationship, but I'm quite willing to believe that a less expensive amp could sound just as good, maybe better. I don't think it is much of a stretch to suggest that different amps may get a little bit more of a certain something out of a headphone as compared to another amp, sometimes not. I don't get why this seems to be such a divisive issue.

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