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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Pot position has nothing to do with the power the amp provides. 


Just want to say that I agree. Case in point my AVR (4520Ci). The volume knob is an encoder, but it displays in Db. Depending on the input used the reading can be between -25 and -10 Db for an output that is quite equal.

 

I have added gain to the lower inputs of up to 12 Db and the higher ones of -3 Db to even things out.  Now they are pretty close... mostly just so I don't get any surprises when changing inputs.

 

If you can get the max volume that you want without clipping, it does not make much difference if the pointer is at 12 o'clock or maxed out. If you need more at that point, raise the input level or gain.

Most volume controls only give a relative  indication of where you are (dependent on input levels, input gain, and amp load).

 

Really the only problem is if the amp clips or starts to compress (sound stage falls apart) before you get as loud as you want.

 

IMO.

 

560 hard to drive... don't know, I don't have them, but hope to one day. I do know that the HE 400 takes more drive (higher settings on analog volume control) to get to the level of most of my other phones, but so do my HD 600/650s. Of course they are 300 Ohms.

post #7112 of 10932
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Dude, just buy an extension cable for like 10 bucks and snip the male end off and connect to the speaker taps just to try it out..
Just be aware that the wires should preferably not be lacquered. And tie the grounds together on the amp if necessary as long as you are a 100% sure it has shared ground.


Not a bad plan, think I will just do that. I e-mailed NAD tech support and they replied saying the grounds were tied so that I hope is the case. Thanks again.

post #7113 of 10932
Not to restart last nights discussion per se., has anybody else tried the "naked" 560 mod...the only thing that would drive me to cover them would be our upcoming Meet in September.

I cannot advocate trying it more strongly, it takes a great headphone and makes it an excellent one. Matt, bring on your 800's, think the Naked 560's could give them a run for their money 🏁!
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Originally Posted by Wildcatsare1 View Post

Not to restart last nights discussion per se., has anybody else tried the "naked" 560 mod...the only thing that would drive me to cover them would be our upcoming Meet in September.

I cannot advocate trying it more strongly, it takes a great headphone and makes it an excellent one. Matt, bring on your 800's, think the Naked 560's could give them a run for their money 🏁!

You're very late to the party bud, the regrilling mod is oh about 2 years old :o 


Edited by jerg - 8/17/14 at 6:56pm
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Oh, but it's new to me 😜! Jerg, why would you want to put anything back over these beauties, I do not have any small children, cats (God I hate cats), dust is not an issue, so why compromise perfection?

As I wrote Tuna via PM earlier, I have been removing grill covers for many years, even when I had the SoundLabs, it just makes sense that in the ultimate "near field listening" you would hear improvement. It is not subtle in anyway.

With the "grill mod", I now hear the advantage of the Focus A Pads, it really is wonderful.....So Jerg, what's the next big mod?
post #7116 of 10932
I listened to several albums using my Fiio X3 today. On high gain and 80 of max 120 volume it powered the HE560 surprisingly well. Don't understand all the comments about this being hard to drive.
post #7117 of 10932
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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

Why go through all that trouble and expense when you already have a very good amp like the A18?  Or is it not really that good?


No the A18 is excellent, certainly my favourite head amp to date. My reasoning is that I have a very nice integrated amp already with the speaker B circuitry wide open. So if I spend say even $300 on taps and I like the sound as much as the A18 (which is possible, but far from a certainty) then why own two devices to do the same thing? Now if there was a reason to have both I would keep the A18. I am far from loaded; however, a few hundred bucks won't kill me either. Less is more so if my M3 can give me what I need that is worth the time and expense to make taps as I have a nice speaker setup so the M3 can't go. Lots of love for the A18, it is very, very nice.

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I'm tempted to get these.

 

I've located a reasonably priced set of balanced cables.

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HIEND-Upgrade-Cable-For-SENNHEISER-HE-6-300-400-500-560-Balance-XLR-4pin-CANNON-/121413451205?

 

He had the header wrong with :Sennheiser" instead of "HIFIMAN" but he will correct that.

 

He says he will supply two neurtik female plugs for the same price if you prefer that.

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I tried th 560's without the grill. I noticed a fair bit of change but don't like it. I hear more reverb and hall sounds with them on. Without the sound looses a spacial quality for me and the sound flattens. Interesting how we all hear things differently. 

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I think the audio chain would affect the effect of the mods as well. While it may sound great wirh with one dac and amp, bit may sound off with another.
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I tried th 560's without the grill. I noticed a fair bit of change but don't like it. I hear more reverb and hall sounds with them on. Without the sound looses a spacial quality for me and the sound flattens. Interesting how we all hear things differently. 
post #7121 of 10932
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I tried th 560's without the grill. I noticed a fair bit of change but don't like it. I hear more reverb and hall sounds with them on. Without the sound looses a spacial quality for me and the sound flattens. Interesting how we all hear things differently. 

My theory is that with the grills there is more internal reflection, so certain microdetails (i.e. spatial reverb, background stuff) are accentuated more, hence what you described. With the grills gone (or with more opened-up grills), those outward-projecting sound waves simply dissipate away rather than get partially reflected back.

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^^what are you all feeding into your 560's? JRiver 19>Wyrd>Modi (Bifrost tomorrow!)>Lyr 2 (Volkhod Silver Shields)>560's. It is funny, I was listening to Cowboy Junkies Trinity Sessions, loving the acoustics of the Church.
post #7123 of 10932
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

My theory is that with the grills there is more internal reflection, so certain microdetails (i.e. spatial reverb, background stuff) are accentuated more, hence what you described. With the grills gone (or with more opened-up grills), those outward-projecting sound waves simply dissipate away rather than get partially reflected back.

That would be my take. I took the covers off and didn't like it then put my hands up about 4 inches from the phones and got the reflections and the acoustical feel I preferred and then placed the grills back without the retainer and listened and there was of an impression of acoustical space. I do notice the grills are magnetic and wonder how this affects the magnetic field of the phones. Would be interesting to try plastic or aluminum for grills, which I see has been done. 

post #7124 of 10932
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

That would be my take. I took the covers off and didn't like it then put my hands up about 4 inches from the phones and got the reflections and the acoustical feel I preferred and then placed the grills back without the retainer and listened and there was of an impression of acoustical space. I do notice the grills are magnetic and wonder how this affects the magnetic field of the phones. Would be interesting to try plastic or aluminum for grills, which I see has been done. 

My replacement material, should I ever install it, is aluminum car grill replacement material, so I will see.
post #7125 of 10932
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Originally Posted by Wildcatsare1 View Post

Oh, but it's new to me 😜! Jerg, why would you want to put anything back over these beauties, I do not have any small children, cats (God I hate cats), dust is not an issue, so why compromise perfection?

 

I was thinking that too back when I first tried it..why bother putting anything on them... until they fell on the floor and I nearly poked a hole in them with the feet of my roller chair and then once I took them off and accidentally poked them with my thumb. It's just a matter of time no matter how careful you are, I would get some grills quick.

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