= HiFiMAN HE-560 Impressions & Discussion Thread =
Aug 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM Post #6,841 of 21,171
Focus pads are fine for graphs. That's after all the pad the headphone comes with...
I personally don't care about the Focus-A, don't like it but if the community needs a graph for it, be it :D
 
Aug 13, 2014 at 9:31 AM Post #6,843 of 21,171
I personally find the HE-560 better for my tastes than the HE-6. Comfort and aesthetics aside, the HE-560 sounds more balanced and natural compared to HE-6. You could argue that my HE-6 wasn't properly amped, that I haven't got to hear its full potential (but hey, who has really?), but I think it's a matter of sound signature preference rather than absolute terms of technicalities. For the record, I do admit that a well-driven HE-6 beats the the HE-560 in many areas. But then again, I'm a kind of guy who prefers SR-007 MK1 to SR-009 over a BHSE, so 'nuff said.
 
Here is how I would rate the headphones/amps I've owned or auditioned, based on my preferences. All the headphones were unmodded, in their original stock form (no Anax mod, grill mod, etc.).
 
0. Smyth Realiser A8: Okay, this isn't really a headphone system but rather a unique audio processor, but I think it deserves a special mention because no audio equipment, be it the best headphones or amps out there, blew me away like the Realiser did. I know some folks personally don't like the way Realiser alters sound, but for me, I can no longer imagine listening to my headphones without it. At least to my ears, even a modest sub-$1,000 setup comprised of a Sennheiser HD600 sounded so much better and more listenable than a $5000+ electrostatic setup with the Realiser in the upstream. Seriously, if you have over $4,000 to spend on your system, I strongly recommend you get the Realiser first and spend the rest on the headphone and amp rather than spending the entire money on headphone and amp. For easy-to-drive headphones, you may not even need a dedicated headphone amp; the HD600 and LCD-X sounded quite good out of Realiser's own heaphone out.
 
1. HD800 (via HPA-3000's hi-Z output): Absolutely the best system I've heard to date for the best audiophile recordings out there. F**kin' brilliant imaging and breathtaking soundstage, incredible frequency extension and superb mids and bass quality. There is no treble etch here, but using a Black Dragon cable makes the sound ever so slightly warm that creates an ideal balance. HPA-3000/Black Dragon/HD800 FTW all the way. I think it's a shame the HPA-3000 is not well known in the Head-Fi community yet.
 
2. HE-560 (via HPA-3000's lo-Z output): Very natural and balanced sounding, with a huge open soundstage and the right amount of bass oomph. My favorite planar magnetic headphone by far, and slightly preferable to the HD800 system above fore more contemporary recording which requires a less forgiving sound. Maybe not the last word in terms of sheer technicalities compared to a well-driven HD800 or HE-6, but for my tastes this is as good as it gets. For less than $1,000, I think the HE-560 is the best headphone I've purchased in terms of performance/price ratio value. Kudos to HFM for such an exceptional feat!
 
3. HE-6 (via Pathos Classic One MKIII's speaker outputs; so much better than HFM's own EF-6 or even RSA Dark Star): By now it is no-brainer that a powerful decent speaker amp could outperform most TOTL dedicated headphone amps when it comes to driving the HE-6. At $3,000, the Pathos Classic One MKIII should be a serious amp to consider for any HE-6 owners out there. At 70W per channel it has more than enough juice to make the HE-6 sing, but the sound quality is where it's really at. Nevertheless, it's a bit bright in some recordings, and using an OCC copper aftermarket cable didn't seem to help much.
 
4. SR-007 MK1 (via BHSE): Perhaps most natural and balanced sound I've heard, and technically flawless in almost every way, but leaves a lot to be desired in the bass quantity department. I'm by no means a basshead, but the bass just wasn't enough for me, and sounded rather too polite as a result. Maybe if I grow older, the SR-007 MK1 will grow on me. The best electrostatic headphone system I've heard though, and preferable to SR-009 for my tastes.
 
5. Sennheiser Orpheus HE-90 (via HEV-90): The biggest "wow" factor I've heard in any system, the magical sound Orpheus captivated me the moment I listened to it for the first time like love at first sight. However, even during the short period of time that I got to audition it, I realized the sound was colored and somewhat unnatural. It was a unique coloration though, and I'm sure people who like their music to sound romantic without being overly warm or lush would love this system. A collector's item, for sure.
 
6. HD800 (via maxed out ZDSE or Bakoon HPA-21): ZDSE and HPA-21 has a different sound signature, but both amps take the HD800 to a whole new level. Although I personally preferred the ZDSE to HPA-21 by a small margin, neither amp could take that treble etch off the HD800.
 
7. TH900 (via maxed out ZDSE or Bakoon HPA-21): The best closed headphone I've heard, the TH900 pairing with ZDSE was just sublime. I still miss it every now and then.
 
8. LCD-X (via HPA-3000's lo-Z output): I had high hopes for the LCD-X, but was left a bit disappointed by its V-shaped sound signature. The TH900 above is V-shaped too, but its recessed mids was remedied by the ZDSE's magic (which tends to have a forward-sounding, rich mids). I didn't get to try the LCD-X with another amp so maybe the HPA-3000 wasn't an ideal match for it. I personally did not like the LCD-X's treble; it is not sharper than the HD800 in absolute terms, but it stands out too much in comparison to the mids. Still, I preferred it overall to pre-Fazor LCD-3.
 
That being said, I'm looking forward to auditioning other TOTL amps (such as GS-X mk2, Teton, L-2, 445, or LAu) with my flagship headphones someday. I also haven't auditioned the Abyss or LCD-3F, so they are on my auditioning list too along with HFM's upcoming statement electrostatic headphone. For the time being though, I couldn't be more happy with the two headphones I own.
 
Aug 13, 2014 at 9:47 AM Post #6,845 of 21,171
I don't think he's using the same type of measurement/compensation as someone like Tyll, so it'd be hard to comment on that.  The only thing you can do is reference the 560 to the other headphones in his graphs.
 
The first graphs show the 560 to fall in-line between the 600 and 800, so that is pretty neutral.  Assuming the focus-a pads would take the 4khz hump down by 3-5db, it'd be even more neutral.  The only thing is the little dip at 2khz.  
 
Aug 13, 2014 at 9:58 AM Post #6,846 of 21,171
Yeah I use real head and hrtf (mine :D). No other compensation.
 
HD800 is great baseline if you want to compare differences to Tyll etc. It's so insensitive to positioning with consistent manufacturing.
 
Aug 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM Post #6,847 of 21,171

I thought I saw the -3db at 2khz, and +7db at 4khz in other graphs, but this graph makes it look more extreme because of the way it is scaled!
 
Aug 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM Post #6,848 of 21,171
 
 
1. HD800 (via HPA-3000's hi-Z output): Absolutely the best system I've heard to date for the best audiophile recordings out there. F**kin' brilliant imaging and breathtaking soundstage, incredible frequency extension and superb mids and bass quality. There is no treble etch here, but using a Black Dragon cable makes the sound ever so slightly warm that creates an ideal balance. HPA-3000/Black Dragon/HD800 FTW all the way. I think it's a shame the HPA-3000 is not well known in the Head-Fi community yet.
also haven't auditioned the Abyss or LCD-3F, so they are on my auditioning list too along with HFM's upcoming statement electrostatic headphone. For the time being though, I couldn't be more happy with the two headphones I own.

The Allnic is stunning visually as well.  Have you auditioned the 560 with it?
 
 The HPA 5000 has been on my "down the road " list, very interested in more impressions on the HPA 3000, intrusive PM coming your way
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Aug 13, 2014 at 1:20 PM Post #6,855 of 21,171
 
Unbelievable, just unbelievable. It makes me wonder how a company seemingly so inept in customer service and quality control can produce such good sounding gear. Okay, if HFM doesn't step up and make this right I will just be so turned off that I may myself never support them again. Yes, jump all over me and tell me I am overreacting, I hear you, but no, if this is a third defective headphone/cable/whatever, then we just can't trust HFM quality control or judgment. Have you not been reading this thread HFM and realized just how embarrassing this is for your company?
 
So here in public I am saying that you HFM must take complete ownership of this situation and fix it now, and really make it up to this poor customer of yours. Fang, if this was my company and I knew about this I would get a new 560 to him super quick, and I would send a nice DAP along to ease the sting of this terrible service situation. There is no other way than to take it on the chin and show your customers that you won't have your company known for this type of shoddy service. I know this sounds harsh, but three times is just unforgiveable and a total epic failure. Why Fang wasn't himself making sure the headphone was perfect is beyond me. There is no better use for a company owners time than quality control and customer service. Sorry, just sayin.

Thanks for your concern. We are in contact with this customer and will make sure it is taken care of to his satisfaction. 
 
Peter
 

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