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post #676 of 7693
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Originally Posted by thegunner100 View Post
 

It's not a review sample list. The first batch is for actual buyers.

Oh, well then I hope to see impressions in the next month or so. The He-560's impressions are keeping me over.

post #677 of 7693
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Well if it was news from a few days ago then my baffle suggestion would not have reached Fang yet.

I am not sure Peter even knows about this particular baffle tweak...
Regardless, I thought Fang said he'll test it and get back to you.
Maybe if he doesn't report back till Friday you can ask him. You can totally put the blame on restless fanboys - me xD

I am merely suggesting so don't maim me wink.gif
post #678 of 7693
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

With the baffles "fixed" and about 60 hrs of use/burn-in so far, these extend as well as my HE500s but with much less distortion (actual tactile vibration rather than flubby flubby under 30 Hz); tested with the new Hifiman pads swapped between the two sets, and the HE500s have the "bonded-together dual layer old style" baffles that should be better than stock old baffles. Basically everything in my power is controlled-for.

 

It seems to be a sheer difference in driver capabilities.

 

I heard from Fang and he's looking into doing this mod and testing it for the first production run.  You must be Psycho... er, I mean Psychic....

post #679 of 7693
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

I heard from Fang and he's looking into doing this mod and testing it for the first production run.  You must be Psycho... er, I mean Psychic....

That's amazing news.
Thanks HeadphoneAddict.

Seems like first batch buyers won't be disappointed after all eityet(cough cough me)
Edited by conquerator2 - 4/1/14 at 3:35pm
post #680 of 7693
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That's amazing news.
Thanks HeadphoneAddict.

 

BTW, Fang just got out of back surgery in Munich yesterday, so people should wish him well! (or give him space to heal, not sure which is better now)

post #681 of 7693
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

BTW, Fang just got out of back surgery in Munich yesterday, so people should wish him well! (or give him space to heal, not sure which is better now)

No April's fools?
Wow, I only wish the man the best.
Guess Munich is the place.
post #682 of 7693
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

 

Good points. Also, the type of EQ you have available makes a difference - graphic vs parametric are very different beasts and a simple graphic equaliser can make all kinds of mess if each frequency band has effects that are too wide reaching or not wide enough (i.e. Q adjustment in a parametric EQ). If I only have a graphic EQ I will almost never use it because they are just too general and often miss the frequency that I really need to tweak.

 

All that said, I think I am a bit of a purist at heart too, but for me it's because I don't like the idea of accidentally making the sound unnatural and misleading to my ears - it's a bit illogical I guess because all that really matters is what we enjoy hearing, but I can't get past the feeling that I'm not hearing the truth... it's weird...

 

A graphic equalizer to a parametric equalizer is as a pickaxe to a chisel. For my purpose, a graphic equalizer is almost useless and the day that portable players will have a parametric EQ is the day I will consider spending good money on them.

 

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

I try not to bother with EQs as I find that you need some really precise and well built EQs to really get the sound you want. Depending on the software or hardware you are using and how well you tweak it, you might be changing the FR in a certain place, however if not taking proper care of the rest of the FR, you can introduce unwanted AND significant auditory masking, even if it is a little. I'd rather start off with a DAC and stick with it. Then mess around with various headphones and amps to get to your liking.

 

Having said that, EQ is still a great useful tool, especially when there is a massive difference, like insanely recessed mids. Trying to fix Beats mid with EQ - all good. Sure it might introduce some other masking, but there's still a big payoff. On the other hand, if there is a minor difference, I'd probably leave it alone.

This is what I mean. Once you master the art of EQ, you can literally get what you want without introducing unwanted aspects such as auditory masking. Auditory masking occurs when you boost/attenuate a frequency far beyond what is natural/realistic/"neutral." If you continuous test your changes with a frequency sweep, you can tell where you erred and then make further (surgical) changes accordingly. It's a tedious task indeed.

 

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post


Woah I never said I didn't believe in it, just that I never felt the desire to. I believe in mods too...
If EQ does it for you that's great wink.gif

Sorry if I came off as a bit impatient. Wasn't intended.

 

Keep in mind that everything we hear is already EQ'd by mixing engineers. The very equipments that they use to monitor their sounds, are also EQ'd, often to be as neutral as possible. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't EQ your own equipment as well, to increase your listening pleasures. If you are unwilling to do so because of the daunting learning curve and task, that's totally understandable. I really really really wish I could bring my stuff to a meet, and have people test out my EQ'd system. I would be shocked if people don't agree that there's an immediate improvement.

 

EDIT: Sorry to derail the thread. EQ is my personal specialty, so I couldn't help but comment on it.


Edited by tigon_ridge - 4/1/14 at 3:48pm
post #683 of 7693

I would significantly prefer Hifiman taking their time and releasing their models in June or July if they have to. I absolutely hate for constant revisions, especially right after they are released. Take your time and be certain of it. If they are making these last changes and are going to be releasing new models within a month, I frankly think this is being pushed. For a $900 product, take your damn time and get it right. Sure people might be mad about the date being pushed back, but remember, those same customers will be even pissed if Hifiman releases more revisions after a quick release to fix an issue.

 

Just found out that Audeze has been making changes to LCD-3 and added Fazor to it. They are making frequent changes and not offering upgrades to existing customers. If Hifiman does this too, count me out for good!

post #684 of 7693
^ chill out.

Hifiman offered replacements to the HE-400 Sandy drivers free of charge so we're safe.
Besides, the baffle mod seems to be the only little nitpick Jerg mentioned... If they manage to fix that it should be ok.
It certainly doesn't seem like they are rushing anything to me... Hence the review samples.
post #685 of 7693
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

^ chill out.

Hifiman offered replacements to the HE-400 Sandy drivers free of charge so we're safe.
Besides, the baffle mod seems to be the only little nitpick Jerg mentioned... If they manage to fix that it should be ok.
It certainly doesn't seem like they are rushing anything to me... Hence the review samples.

 

Or you know, they can take their time and get it right so there won't be need for a return in the first place.

post #686 of 7693

Any of the HE560 testers have a LCD3/X?

How does the HE560 compare in terms of sound?  In the same league?

post #687 of 7693
Derailed.. Can't help myself but if they do lcd_3 fazor, I will probably be the happiest person ever. Of course I'll probably have a 560 too.
post #688 of 7693
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
 

I heard from Fang and he's looking into doing this mod and testing it for the first production run.  You must be Psycho... er, I mean Psychic....

 

That's what I like to hear, since the mod seems all positive(?).  When I buy these I don't really want to have to mod them, except the grills maybe. And trying different pads. And my homemade cable.  And... :D  Just not the baffle mod, please.

post #689 of 7693
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post

Derailed.. Can't help myself but if they do lcd_3 fazor, I will probably be the happiest person ever. Of course I'll probably have a 560 too.

The fazors are solid (aluminum?) blocks of weight though, so it is a direct sacrifice of comfort for an unknown amount of SQ improvement. I say unknown because the only experience people have had with the fazors is on X and XC, which have always had the fazors; so the difference with/without it objectively is still unknown to the public.

post #690 of 7693
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

That's what I like to hear, since the mod seems all positive(?).  When I buy these I don't really want to have to mod them, except the grills maybe. And trying different pads. And my homemade cable.  And... :D  Just not the baffle mod, please.

 

I would prefer a model that doesn't need to modded at all. Cable upgrade would be as far as I'd be willing to go.

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