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Originally Posted by thegunner100 View Post
 

I can't believe no one here has mentioned LFF's enigma yet, considering that they're both the same price and are going to be released soon-ish. I've been bugging LFF to try to get us an enigma for the NY meet since we'll have the he-560s there as well.

 

Despite the he-500 being an open headphone, it never really felt that "open" to me even when modded. While the enigmas are closed, they're said to sound pretty open at the same time. I'm getting tired of the hd800s lately, so I've been looking into these two headphones as an replacement.

My thoughts exactly. I want to see a "shootout" with the Enigma and the HE-560's ,but you have to take the time to realize that Luis has to "hand make" these. He is behind schedule sometime's ,and unless he wants unhappy customer's then he has to fill his order's before he sends out sample's. Hopefully, he has time to send out a set for comparison's tho'.

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Originally Posted by GeneraI View Post
 

My thoughts exactly. I want to see a "shootout" with the Enigma and the HE-560's ,but you have to take the time to realize that Luis has to "hand make" these. He is behind schedule sometime's ,and unless he wants unhappy customer's then he has to fill his order's before he sends out sample's. Hopefully, he has time to send out a set for comparison's tho'.


Yeah of course, that's what makes them special! There first batch is being sent out this week so there'll be some more impressions of them soon. I'm most interested in a hd800 and enigma comparison since that's what I have right now but a he-500 and enigma comparison would be fair too since I was able to borrow a pair for 2 weeks. Then I suppose we can compare the he-560 to the enigma by proxy of the he-500? :P

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A dealer told me they have been delayed to very late April
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

A dealer told me they have been delayed to very late April

The dealer told you today? When?

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The dealer told you today? When?

Late April is the same I was told by HiFiMAN's Peter [though he admitted he's in the USA so he can't be too sure but he suggested that's a realistic date].

I wonder if they'll tweak the baffle in that case? Assuming none were sent to dealers yet, which seems likely.

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

I always tend to look at the frequency response.. Tried making duplicates of FRs etc. a number of times, then reverse it. It always end up sounding unnatural or just bad, so I never make really drastic changes in the EQ, mostly just some 1-5 dBs here and there based partially on FR graphs and sine sweeps. It can be pretty hard to get right and I always get pretty OCD-ish and end up throwing the hole thing away.

 

 

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I never EQ headphones... Call me crazy, guess I am a purist here :D

To not believe in equalization is to not believe in modding your headphones. If that makes you a "purist," then that's what you are. Equalization, when done right (and believe me, it could take hours to EQ a headphone the first time if you don't know what you're doing), will make your headphone sound completely different in tone in a way that suits your taste. My EQ'd HE-400 sounds so beautifully smooth and natural, that if I switch the EQ off, what I would hear would sound very off. It took me between 4-5 hours to fully dial it in, but it was worth the effort. To me, a good EQ software is 1000x more important (not to mention better value) than third-party cables. My phones' low-end extension is improved, at no detriment to any of the other frequencies. Its upper treble is tamed. Vocals has never sounded more engaging and realistic, as does many instruments. My HE-400 is jergmodded, and if you were to ask me which improved them better between my EQ and the jergmod, I'd say that it's very easily the EQ.

 

The reason why many people are hesitant to EQ or wary of it, is simply because it is actually a very technically complex tool. As with every complicated tool, you need to know how it works as well how to make it worth for you. A good rule of thumb is: make surgical and precise-as-can-be changes, never use a broad stroke; and then test your change with a frequency sweep. You'll need to have a knowledge of human hear sensitivity, and knowledge of compensation curves would also help. All of this makes proper EQing a big chore, and can takes 3-5 hours if it's your first or second time. It's not easy, or at least not in my experience.


Edited by tigon_ridge - 4/1/14 at 3:01pm
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To not believe in equalization is to not believe in modding your headphones. If that makes you a "purist," then that's what you are. Equalization, when done right (and believe me, it could take hours to EQ a headphone the first time if you don't know what you're doing), will make your headphone sound completely different in tone in a way that suits your taste. My EQ'd HE-400 sounds so beautifully smooth and natural, that if I switch the EQ off, what I would hear would sound very off. It took me between 4-5 hours to fully dial it in, but it was worth the effort. To me, a good EQ software is 1000x more important (not to mention better value) than third-party cables. My phones' low-end extension is improved, at no detriment to any of the other frequencies. Its upper treble is tamed. Vocals has never sounded more engaging and realistic, as does many instruments. My HE-400 is jergmodded, and if you were to ask me which improved them better between my EQ and the jergmod, I'd say that it's very easily the EQ.

 

The reason why many people are hesitant to EQ or wary of it, is simply because it is actually a very technically complex tool. As with every complicated tool, you need to know how it works as well how to make it worth for you. A good rule of thumb is: make surgical and precise-as-can-be changes, never use a broad stroke; and then test your change with a frequency sweep. You'll need to have a knowledge of human hear sensitivity, and knowledge of compensation curves would also help. All of this makes proper EQing a big chore, and can takes 3-5 hours if it's your first or second time. It's not easy, or at least not in my experience.

 

Good points. Also, the type of EQ you have available makes a difference - graphic vs parametric are very different beasts and a simple graphic equaliser can make all kinds of mess if each frequency band has effects that are too wide reaching or not wide enough (i.e. Q adjustment in a parametric EQ). If I only have a graphic EQ I will almost never use it because they are just too general and often miss the frequency that I really need to tweak.

 

All that said, I think I am a bit of a purist at heart too, but for me it's because I don't like the idea of accidentally making the sound unnatural and misleading to my ears - it's a bit illogical I guess because all that really matters is what we enjoy hearing, but I can't get past the feeling that I'm not hearing the truth... it's weird...

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Late April is the same I was told by HiFiMAN's Peter [though he admitted he's in the USA so he can't be too sure but he suggested that's a realistic date].

I wonder if they'll tweak the baffle in that case? Assuming none were sent to dealers yet, which seems likely.

Well whether or not a baffle tweak would be included in this delay depends on how late you and tuna got the news of the delay. Did you hear about this from Peter also only today?

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To not believe in equalization is to not believe in modding your headphones. If that makes you a "purist," then that's what you are. Equalization, when done right (and believe me, it could take hours to EQ a headphone the first time if you don't know what you're doing), will make your headphone sound completely different in tone in a way that suits your taste. My EQ'd HE-400 sounds so beautifully smooth and natural, that if I switch the EQ off, what I would hear would sound very off. It took me between 4-5 hours to fully dial it in, but it was worth the effort. To me, a good EQ software is 1000x more important (not to mention better value) than third-party cables. My phones' low-end extension is improved, at no detriment to any of the other frequencies. Its upper treble is tamed. Vocals has never sounded more engaging and realistic, as does many instruments. My HE-400 is jergmodded, and if you were to ask me which improved them better between my EQ and the jergmod, I'd say that it's very easily the EQ.

The reason why many people are hesitant to EQ or wary of it, is simply because it is actually a very technically complex tool. As with every complicated tool, you need to know how it works as well how to make it worth for you. A good rule of thumb is: make surgical and precise-as-can-be changes, never use a broad stroke; and then test your change with a frequency sweep. You'll need to have a knowledge of human hear sensitivity, and knowledge of compensation curves would also help. All of this makes proper EQing a big chore, and can takes 3-5 hours if it's your first or second time. It's not easy, or at least not in my experience.

Woah I never said I didn't believe in it, just that I never felt the desire to. I believe in mods too...
If EQ does it for you that's great wink.gif
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Yeah of course, that's what makes them special! There first batch is being sent out this week so there'll be some more impressions of them soon. I'm most interested in a hd800 and enigma comparison since that's what I have right now but a he-500 and enigma comparison would be fair too since I was able to borrow a pair for 2 weeks. Then I suppose we can compare the he-560 to the enigma by proxy of the he-500? :P

I wasn't aware of the list. I would've murdered to get on the review sample list.

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Well whether or not a baffle tweak would be included in this delay depends on how late you and tuna got the news of the delay. Did you hear about this from Peter also only today?

Yes. Does that mean anything?
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I wasn't aware of the list. I would've murdered to get on the review sample list.

It's not a review sample list. The first batch is for actual buyers.

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I heard yesterday
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I try not to bother with EQs as I find that you need some really precise and well built EQs to really get the sound you want. Depending on the software or hardware you are using and how well you tweak it, you might be changing the FR in a certain place, however if not taking proper care of the rest of the FR, you can introduce unwanted AND significant auditory masking, even if it is a little. I'd rather start off with a DAC and stick with it. Then mess around with various headphones and amps to get to your liking.

 

Having said that, EQ is still a great useful tool, especially when there is a massive difference, like insanely recessed mids. Trying to fix Beats mid with EQ - all good. Sure it might introduce some other masking, but there's still a big payoff. On the other hand, if there is a minor difference, I'd probably leave it alone.

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Yes. Does that mean anything?

Well if it was news from a few days ago then my baffle suggestion would not have reached Fang yet.

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