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post #601 of 17297
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Well they could drill a bunch of holes on the older 2-layer baffles and maybe trim the inner layer down more. Still I think that is way too much work compared to what I did, and maybe not even for the better.

post #602 of 17297
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Originally Posted by DaemonSire View Post
 

I think Thurston was looking at ways to modify the HE500 to make the mids better, not replacing the 560 baffles.

 

Correct.

 

@DoctaCosmos

No, the HE-560s do not butcher the vocals, but in their testing with the old baffles they were less than impressed.  It was posted previously by jerg.

post #603 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Fang told me that they already tested the two-layer baffles during the HE560 development stage, apparently it allowed the bass to behave properly, but messed with the midrange.

 

And I tried it too, except it turns out the HE560 cups are like 2 mm smaller in diametre compared to older Hifimans, so the older two-layer baffle actually doesn't fit (by a tiny margin).

 

At any rate that isn't the solution lol. I think they strategically used the single-layer baffle in this case for sonic reasons.

 

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear.  I'm thinking of modding the HE-500 baffles to fill at least part of the gap between the two pieces.  Was just looking for feedback from someone who has modded the heck out of their HE-500s :-)

 

The gap is really narrow, so it may not be practical.  I'll have a look at it later today.

post #604 of 17297
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear.  I'm thinking of modding the HE-500 baffles to fill at least part of the gap between the two pieces.  Was just looking for feedback from someone who has modded the heck out of their HE-500s :-)

 

The gap is really narrow, so it may not be practical.  I'll have a look at it later today.

I actually don't even think there is a gap with the older style baffles on non-HE560 Hifimans. Basically they already had the second layer of the baffle to fill that gap, even had precise slots milled out to accommodate for the driver screws. This new HE560 baffle seems like it's still something they are experimenting with.

post #605 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I actually don't even think there is a gap with the older style baffles on non-HE560 Hifimans. Basically they already had the second layer of the baffle to fill that gap, even had precise slots milled out to accommodate for the driver screws. This new HE560 baffle seems like it's still something they are experimenting with.

 

You're correct about the lack of gap between the side of the HE-500 baffle that rests against the felt that is on the driver assembly.  This piece has the recesses cut to accommodate the protruding driver screws.  This is not the gap (or lack thereof) to which I'm referring.

 

If you hold the HE-500 baffle up to a light source edge wise, you can see a gap between the two baffle rings.  The two rings are joined together by eight or so plastic stanchions, which are so short they might as well be called nubs.  This is the gap to which I'm referring.  It's really narrow.  It should be possible to force some putty (blue putty?) into said gap using a pen knife or something similar.  I've actually got some foam type material that's thin enough to get in there.

 

The question is, would this be beneficial.  I aim to find out.

 

I'll stop bombing this thread about it, as it just seems to be causing confusion.

post #606 of 17297
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

You're correct about the lack of gap between the side of the HE-500 baffle that rests against the felt that is on the driver assembly.  This piece has the recesses cut to accommodate the protruding driver screws.  This is not the gap (or lack thereof) to which I'm referring.

 

If you hold the HE-500 baffle up to a light source edge wise, you can see a gap between the two baffle rings.  The two rings are joined together by eight or so plastic stanchions, which are so short they might as well be called nubs.  This is the gap to which I'm referring.  It's really narrow.  It should be possible to force some putty (blue putty?) into said gap using a pen knife or something similar.  I've actually got some foam type material that's thin enough to get in there.

 

The question is, would this be beneficial.  I aim to find out.

 

I'll stop bombing this thread about it, as it just seems to be causing confusion.

I actually investigated what you described already, yesterday. Sorry I did all the work before you could have a chance lol, I couldn't resist.

 

Basically the two layers of the old baffle can be easily pried open with a mini flathead screwdriver, they are only held together by friction via the 4 sets of 2 plastic rods that go through. The top layer IS tapered on the inner circumference, with a flattened portion near the outer circumference that is supposed to have complete contact with the lower layer which is all flat. I found that just double-sided tape all around the interface was able to bond the two layers together really nice.

 

The sad part is I did all that work before I found out that the older style baffles don't even fit into HE560's cups.

post #607 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I actually investigated what you described already, yesterday. Sorry I did all the work before you could have a chance lol, I couldn't resist.

 

Basically the two layers of the old baffle can be easily pried open with a mini flathead screwdriver, they are only held together by friction via the 4 sets of 2 plastic rods that go through. The top layer IS tapered on the inner circumference, with a flattened portion near the outer circumference that is supposed to have complete contact with the lower layer which is all flat. I found that just double-sided tape all around the interface was able to bond the two layers together really nice.

 

The sad part is I did all that work before I found out that the older style baffles don't even fit into HE560's cups.

 

Ah!  Now we're talking.  You were doing this for the HE-560s, yes?  Did you happen to try the modified HE-500 baffles on the HE-500s?  That's what I'm after.

 

I'm a little worried about prying the layers apart, but if you say they're connected via friction, and not something molded that will break when separated, then I should be able to reverse any mod by removing the material and reattaching the two rings like they were pre-mod.

 

Well, since carpet tape will keep them taped together even if I break the connecting rods, I'm going for it... unless you say it made the HE-500s sound worse after testing.

 

Thanks!

post #608 of 17297
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Ah!  Now we're talking.  You were doing this for the HE-560s, yes?  Did you happen to try the modified HE-500 baffles on the HE-500s?  That's what I'm after.

 

I'm a little worried about prying the layers apart, but if you say they're connected via friction, and not something molded that will break when separated, then I should be able to reverse any mod by removing the material and reattaching the two rings like they were pre-mod.

 

Well, since carpet tape will keep them taped together even if I break the connecting rods, I'm going for it... unless you say it made the HE-500s sound worse after testing.

 

Thanks!

Since this is going off to the HE500 tangent completely, perhaps its thread is where the conversation should be nudged to. You could try it first if you want, I'm kind of bummed that it isn't compatible with HE560 so I threw it aside for the time being.

post #609 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Since this is going off to the HE500 tangent completely, perhaps its thread is where the conversation should be nudged to. You could try it first if you want, I'm kind of bummed that it isn't compatible with HE560 so I threw it aside for the time being.

 

Yeah, no problem.  Apologies to people bored with this topic.  I'll post on it in the other thread.

 

:beerchug:

post #610 of 17297
Stoked to see these are finally coming out. Has anyone try to power them with a portable amp? I have a Lyr at home, but I do like to go outside and enjoy music.
post #611 of 17297

I'm listening to a good recording the Mile Davis "Four and More" (a live recording) and I'm realizing how flat the HE-400s can be even with the Jerg pad mod and removed grill filters. I usually listen to electronic which is heavenly with the 400s but apparently not so much with jazz. I am very curious about the depth and sound stage of the HE-560s and especially with the new pads. If I lift the pads even an 1/16 inch from my ears it makes a big difference. Are the 560 pads thicker?  I have high hopes for the 400i as the 560 is definitely out of my range. 

post #612 of 17297
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Originally Posted by catcherfly View Post
 

I'm listening to a good recording the Mile Davis "Four and More" (a live recording) and I'm realizing how flat the HE-400s can be even with the Jerg pad mod and removed grill filters. I usually listen to electronic which is heavenly with the 400s but apparently not so much with jazz. I am very curious about the depth and sound stage of the HE-560s and especially with the new pads. If I lift the pads even an 1/16 inch from my ears it makes a big difference. Are the 560 pads thicker?  I have high hopes for the 400i as the 560 is definitely out of my range. 

I actually provided some dimension measurements of the new Hifiman earpads on the first post of this thread (with numbers). Yep it is thicker, slightly angled, and MUCH softer.

post #613 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
 

 

Just how much more neutral HE-560s can possibly be? I thought your earpads already improved HE-500's FR to the point, where they became almost completely neutral. The only area where, HE-560 can be more neutral is the lowest sub bass below 30 Hz, but that will hardly be audible, if at all, and maybe the upper treble, but I personally, don't find HE-500s to be recessed in the upper treble. And I can't really see how HE-500s are colored and warm. If HE-500 is warm and colored, what is LCD-2 then and, god forbid, Shure SRH1540 and NAD HP50? No offense, but I smell "new toy" syndrome here.

Neutrality is not that easy to achieve with a single driver through such a wide frequency range. HE-500 is certainly recessed in the upper mids and lower treble region, even with Jerg's mod. A couple of months ago, I tried HD700, HD800, HE-500 and LCD-2 for over a month, and compared them to my 11 year old HD600's. Although severely lacking in detail and bass, HD600 is one the most neutral headphones, except for bass. The only one I liked was the HE-500, and yet the upper mids and lower treble were seriously recessed compared to the HD600 (LCD-2 was much worse, and uncomfortable). There's a lot to be enjoyed in that frequency range. From what I am hearing, HE-560 are decent candidates to become "super HD600's". If this indeed is the case, Hifiman can certainly get a cool $900 from me. I am imagine there must be many HD600 veterans like myself waiting to upgrade.


Edited by zxc - 3/31/14 at 6:00pm
post #614 of 17297
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Neutrality is not that easy to achieve with a single driver through such a wide frequency range. HE-500 is certainly recessed in the upper mids and lower treble region, even with Jerg's mod. A couple of months ago, I tried HD700, HD800, HE-500 and LCD-2 for over a month, and compared them to my 11 year old HD600's. Although severely lacking in detail and bass, HD600 is one the most neutral headphones, except for bass. The only one I liked was the HE-500, and yet the mids were seriously recessed compared to the HD600 (LCD-2 was much worse, and uncomfortable). There's a lot to be enjoyed in that frequency range. From what I am hearing, HE-560 are decent candidates to become "super HD600's". If this indeed is the case, Hifiman can certainly get a cool $900 from me. I am imagine there must be many HD600 veterans like myself waiting to upgrade.


Well if I may say so myself, I preferred the HE-500 velours over the Jergpads (which make the sound less recessed in the upper mid/lower treble)... And I even find it quite good sounding too

 

WAT

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Uh, I meant upper mids and lower treble were seriously recessed. HE-500 mids are certainly not recessed, to the contrary, very intimate IMHO.

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