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post #5326 of 8387

I've tried many different pads too and they would be considered more comfy IF they fit me, however. I can't speak for Sennheiser pads as those are the ones I have not tried.

I did try Beyerdynamic, Ultrasone, Audio Technica, AKG, HiFiMAN and others and they either did not fit me [m ears touched something that irritated them], were itchy, affected sound quality negatively or a combination of the aboves.

These are the first pads I feel don't have any such weaknesses so I feel this, from my point of view, as a big accomplishment from HiFiMAN for a relatively reasonable price.

post #5327 of 8387
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

I've tried many different pads too and they would be considered more comfy IF they fit me, however. I can't speak for Sennheiser pads as those are the ones I have not tried.

I did try Beyerdynamic, Ultrasone, Audio Technica, AKG, HiFiMAN and others and they either did not fit me [m ears touched something that irritated them], were itchy, affected sound quality negatively or a combination of the aboves.

These are the first pads I feel don't have any such weaknesses so I feel this, from my point of view, as a big accomplishment from HiFiMAN for a relatively reasonable price.

 

Thank you for this comment... Honestly, it's great to read it as I am instantly reminded of how subjective this hobby is... And how extremely different can impressions of the same thing be among people.

post #5328 of 8387
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

Thank you for this comment... Honestly, it's great to read it as I am instantly reminded of how subjective this hobby is... And how extremely different can impressions of the same thing be among people.

You're welcome. Likewise. Trading impressions is always beneficial :beerchug:

post #5329 of 8387

I don't like the beyer pads too much.  They're great the first month or so, but then they compress, get itchy, and your ears touch the driver coverings and you start getting annoyed.  Take a look at my old DT990 pads after 2 years and 3 washes.

 

 

 

My HE-400 pads (Hifiman's previous velour offering prior to the focus pads-- not the oldest velours) have retained their shape through 2 years of heavy use.  They are very stuff pads, but at least my ears never touched the driver covering.

 

I'd rate both iterations of the new focus pads the same as the previous velour pads in terms of comfort.  A bit smaller openings but a little softer.  This also probably means my focus a pads will eventually turn out like my beyer pads, but at least they're 30 bucks compared to 60 bucks.

post #5330 of 8387

I can't tell you that I have driven the 560 with the Vali because I no longer have my Vali. But, I can tell you that the Vali drove my HE-500's really well. And, I believe the 560 is just as easy to drive as the 500. But, that does not mean there is something else that might get a little more out of the 560 or the 500... such as my Lyr 2 with the RIGHT tubes. That's one of the beauties of the Lyr 2... being able to tweak the sound to your liking. But, for the price of the Vali, and what it is able to do, it is a real steal in the headphone market.

post #5331 of 8387
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
 

I can't tell you that I have driven the 560 with the Vali because I no longer have my Vali. But, I can tell you that the Vali drove my HE-500's really well. And, I believe the 560 is just as easy to drive as the 500. But, that does not mean there is something else that might get a little more out of the 560 or the 500... such as my Lyr 2 with the RIGHT tubes. That's one of the beauties of the Lyr 2... being able to tweak the sound to your liking. But, for the price of the Vali, and what it is able to do, it is a real steal in the headphone market.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider to be the RIGHT tubes? I'm driving my 560s with a Lyr 2 using the stock GE tubes. I'm just now starting to look into alternative tubes. Several people have mentioned Telefunkens.  

 

What tubes do you prefer and how do they change the sound from the GEs?

 

thanks!

post #5332 of 8387
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


1. Check headdirect.com for ur answer
2. There is no best, it all depends on ur budget and ur needs..but u do have very high quality cables.. I have good experience with toxic and norse. U wont go wrong with a cable of one of those and they are affordable for what they give u...toxic even more then norse.
3. Yes it will (it did with a he500 and the code-x i have), but the improvement wont be day and night..better invest in a better rig! GOOD cables only give u the last bit of quality out of ur rig..the better the rig, the more the cable will make an impact on the sound.. I swear on the very affordable toxic 'black widow' for the hifiman range..a full copper cable

As always its all IMHO with the advices..am sure others have other brands they consider good...but in my experience only two brands stand out...and until now all who listened to my code-x (with black widow) agrees with me.

Ps..i suppose the he560 has the same smallish connectors as the older family members?

 

I am getting the Geek Pulse X with all the options. Also the LPS. So i think the rig is pretty much covered. I had read somewhere that Hifiman was going to come out with a balanced version of their stock cable. Was wondering if they provided a timeline for that?

post #5333 of 8387

Right now I am using Bugle Boys in my Lyr 2, and I think they do a very good job. But, the technical plus of a tube amp, like the Lyr, is tube rolling. You never know until you try another NOS tube what you like best. And this can be a very personal thing... what I like best may not be your like best.

 

The GE's do well, and you can enjoy them until you hear something better to your liking. I like the Bugle Boys better, but before I give you any particulars about the better, let me go back to the GE's, now that I have 144 hours on my HE-560's.

 

I do have another tube coming... Amperex O getter Orange globes. I have had another version of the Orange globes when I had the Lyr 1 driving HE-500's and I thought they bettered the GE's in my opinion. 

 

But, you just need to try some others... and some of them are not all that expensive. I think I paid $89 for the Bugle Boy as well as the O getter Orange globes.

 

I buy most of my tubes from a very nice guy in AZ... Ron Smith <mercedesmann@yahoo.com>  Tell Ron what you have and get his opinion. I've never disliked a tube he's sent me.

post #5334 of 8387
I use telefunken and orange globes thing I like the globes better with 560 they have a lusher sound telefunken was my favorite with the 500 gave it more detail it's a fun but expensive hobbie
post #5335 of 8387
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Originally Posted by nicolo View Post

... I had read somewhere that Hifiman was going to come out with a balanced version of their stock cable. Was wondering if they provided a timeline for that?
The stock cable is at least a foot too short.
It is also still fairly stiff.

I didn't buy the balanced cable they had, which seems a decent buy at $150.

I bought a silver plated copper and it is much softer and nicer and I immediately hear an improvement going balanced with my HA-1.

Not night and day but I feel immediate increased clarity.
Not sure yet about bass or impact.

Also not sure how much difference is in the cable or the amp outputs. .

Anyway I only paid
$80 here..
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=221334650240&alt=web
Edited by Maxx134 - 7/14/14 at 10:29am
post #5336 of 8387

I probably never had the correct amp with the HD-800. Like the HE-6, it has to have power plus, and thus Senn came up with their own amp for it... but for a lot of bucks. Or you could probably drive it into the blue with the new high end Schiit that costs about as much as the Senn amp.

 

For my rig, it would be hard to beat the HE-560. That's my opinion.

post #5337 of 8387

Running the HE-560 via the Glenn 300B amp speaker taps tonight. 15W/channel sounds the best I have heard the HE-560

post #5338 of 8387
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
 

I probably never had the correct amp with the HD-800. Like the HE-6, it has to have power plus, and thus Senn came up with their own amp for it... but for a lot of bucks. Or you could probably drive it into the blue with the new high end Schiit that costs about as much as the Senn amp.

 

For my rig, it would be hard to beat the HE-560. That's my opinion.

 

For $280 the BHC pairs really well with the hd800. For half that much, the Vali is also surprisingly good. Often people think that you've got to throw a truck load of cash at the hd800 to get a good pairing...it's more about the right synergy than lot's of cash. 

post #5339 of 8387
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

For $280 the BHC pairs really well with the hd800. For half that much, the Vali is also surprisingly good. Often people think that you've got to throw a truck load of cash at the hd800 to get a good pairing...it's more about the right synergy than lot's of cash. 
Can you post a lonk to the BHC?
Thanx.
post #5340 of 8387

They've arrived...  Unfortunately I have a set with the mismatched pads, one new and one old.  Razordog is looking into it for me so hopefully that'll be sorted out soon.  I have the FocusAs already ordered...  *edit* in the <10 mins I've been at the computer writing this, Brian phoned HiFiMan and a set of the new pads are being mailed directly to me tomorrow.  :D  Well done Brian and HiFiMan!!

 

 

 

They sound pretty good for the 10 mins I tried them out.  I just did a quick comparison with amps and sadly I suspect that they are not going to cut it.  (HPP1 didn't really work.  Felt uncontrolled and weak.; the CLAS/Continental was nice and intimate, almost lush.  I'll have to push them a little to see.;  I expected the CEntrance to be louder. I usually don't like the effect of setting an amp on max gain, but on medium gain, I have the dial in about the 2 o'clock position..  and that's not playing loud.  Pretty neutral sounding though, not the fleshiness of the CLAS/ALO combo..  

 

Anyway...  I got distracted by the pad issue but the few tracks I tried, ones that usually highlight a weakness or stridency and I haven't heard the telltale signs so that is a very good sign.  I can already tell though that this is a headphone that will only get better as the upstream gets better..    

I didn't get the "wow" I felt when I first heard the scale of the HD800 or the sense of music coming from the aether I felt with the Stax SR-007mk1 though..

But sometimes the "wow" has another shoe to drop so that's not always a good thing, and expecting them to match up with the Stax rig (at 3x's the price isn't really fair anyway.)

 

I'm going to let them run for a bit... well actually I think I won't...  I'm going to go listen to them and with the good feeling of excellent customer service, it promises to be an enjoyable afternoon.

 

PS... They are extremely comfortable.  The new Stax style suspension is wonderful.  

 

PPS..  My box had a damaged corner.  They should probably update the packaging.  I don't really care but I'm sure there are some who do and that shouldn't really be happening.


Edited by SBranson - 7/15/14 at 9:07pm
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