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post #5266 of 10896
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

O2 does just fine with planars.

 

The problem is that O2 is so hated around here that one doesn't know whether you are just joking (which would be pretty lame), or serious (which would be almost shocking given O2's reputation here on Head-fi).

 

As always on Head-fi (IMHO), the truth is somewhere in between... In other words, neither great nor bad.


Edited by Ron12 - 7/13/14 at 7:23am
post #5267 of 10896

Can someone tell me if the Vali has enough power to drive the 560 correctly ?

post #5268 of 10896

O2 isn't hated on head-fi, in fact I would argue quite the opposite.  It's one of the most recommended amps for beginners, and  It's one of those amps in which you'll hear a random sheep here and there pop in a thread and say it's perfectly transparent and able to drive every headphone up to an HE-6 and every other amp is either coloring or distorting the sound. 

 

I'm not that type of guy, but I'm definitely backing my own statement in saying the O2 has no problem with planar magnetics (maybe not an HE-6.)  I'm so sick of the power argument on head-fi it makes me want to puke.

post #5269 of 10896

Seriously, I own a couple of O2s... one built myself and one JDS Labs.  Up until the HE500 and HE560 I would have said they have plenty of power.  Fact is they don't.  Most people even buy the stupid low end power supply with them, when you really need the higher end 16-20v units to drive plannars (you can even quote NAVGUY on this one).  At 1x gain, I have to turn the nob almost all the way up to even hear anything, at 2.5 gain (custom one) I still have to go almost to 3/4 power to get a good listening level and even then, a lot of the bass is missing.  O2 is a fine HP amp, but it is not the holy grail of planar headphone amps.  

 

BTW, my 560s measure at about 50 ohms (just shy).

 

Can the O2 play music through the 560s yup, does it have enough power for you to get everything out of them, nope.

post #5270 of 10896

I guess you can add this review to the front page for the 560 impressions Jerg:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/722163/battle-of-the-modern-planars-lcd-x-vs-pm-1-vs-he-560

post #5271 of 10896

Actually, that's not the problem. The problem with driving planars with the O2 is that the opamp isn't able to handle the sheer power (energy per second) that is needed to drive planars.

 

By using better opamps and a few of them it is very possible to drive even the HE-6. See agdr's ODA: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/headphone-systems/229934-version-o2-desktop-amp-oda.html which is able to drive the HE-6 to 113dB before it runs out of juice, and that's at 7.5V - and manages to be pretty affordable too!

 

The higher voltage amps will never use that voltage to power the headphones, they work because the components are able to handle more power better. You'd burst your eardrums and then the headphones if you tried putting 20V across any planars.

 

/soundscience

 

I spent a few hours today listening to the HD650 and LCD-XC (no, the shop didn't have any Hifimans or the LCD2, and this is the first time I've heard high-end headphones bar ~20mins with HD800s in HMV) and can say the bass extension on the latter was just mind-blowing. And the HD650s sounded like a big version of my IE80s, so it looks like I'll be getting the HE400i (after a demo) or HE560. Hopefully the bass lives up to expectations.


Edited by garunamodi - 7/13/14 at 8:23am
post #5272 of 10896
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I guess you can add this review to the front page for the 560 impressions Jerg:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/722163/battle-of-the-modern-planars-lcd-x-vs-pm-1-vs-he-560

Oh yeah I was gonna do that a while ago, but something distracted me that day so I forgot after hehe.

post #5273 of 10896
Jerg you have not reviewed the final version of the he560 yet looking forward to your impressions. I am really loving them
post #5274 of 10896

I wrote this in the short (somewhat derailed) pm1 vs he560 thread, but decided to copy it here in case that thread got removed. Thanks for reading.

 

FWIW, I really love both my PM-1 and my 560. They are both extremely satisfying in their own individual takes on the music and when I put one on I just don't want to stop listening.

Many tracks favor one phone or the other, but most sound great on both.

The PM-1 emphasizes smoothness and sweet but extended highs, and it's a unique juxtaposition of silky treble, where the sometimes harsh digital edge of a bad recording is handled with finesse, but the details are not hidden, just not pushed into my ears. Any vocals or brittle highs

are detectable as there, just a bit distant, so they are not prominent and painful. It is a liquid, continuous, silky sound. But somehow I'm convinced I'm hearing all that is there in the performance: all the important stuff. The PM-1 just walks the line nicely.

 

The 560 also does this tightrope walk, but with more exposure of detail and texture, and shows electrostatic-like detail, texture, and speed on good recordings. But even bad recordings are handled decently. A vocal that has some digital grain will show it more than the PM-1,

and I am more aware that this is a lesser recording with some abrasiveness in the mids, buts that's just the price of truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. But the 560 still never loses it composure, and it's not like a bad metal tweeter on a speaker, so still, there is some

reticence, and the sound is not analytical (like some Wilson speakers if you ever heard them).

 

I think both headphones try to make things sound musical and process things a bit, and don't just let it all hang out, but the PM-1 just does it more actively.

But again, both are great and, along with the Stax SR009, represent modern headphone design at its best, and I am happy to have both, and both will get lots of head time.

 

[edited only for spelling correction]


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/13/14 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
 


You could get a second job......you could get a second identity, you might threaten divorce. You could tell her it's over and your marrying her sister...... ANYTHING but giving back YOUR 560's! With the Porta Pro? You still have music..... they aren't a half bad piece of kit actually. You will have to give back your Head-Fi membership.... we can't have members who care about wallets;)

 

Hehe.  It turned out that I was able to salvage my retention of the HE-560, thanks to my mom (still spry at 89). We went out shopping together yesterday (with my wife) and stopped at the RadioShack (or some similar dung-hut) and she bought me the Porta Pro. I gave my wife some money ($60 I saved from the PortaPro) to get her hair done, and mom and I went to the post office and she paid for my HE560 (for accuracy's sake, she made a $700 payment on out credit card). Her philosophy has always been "enjoy life, live while you are able to".

 

 I tried to "prop up my case" to my wife by showing her the enthusiasm present on this HE-560 headphone topic, to no avail.

post #5276 of 10896
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Jerg you have not reviewed the final version of the he560 yet looking forward to your impressions. I am really loving them

Me too! If only my life isn't a clusterfunk at the moment :o

post #5277 of 10896
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Originally Posted by garunamodi View Post

Actually, that's not the problem. The problem with driving planars with the O2 is that the opamp isn't able to handle the sheer power (energy per second) that is needed to drive planars.

By using better opamps and a few of them it is very possible to drive even the HE-6. See agdr's ODA: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/headphone-systems/229934-version-o2-desktop-amp-oda.html which is able to drive the HE-6 to 113dB before it runs out of juice, and that's at 7.5V - and manages to be pretty affordable too!

The higher voltage amps will never use that voltage to power the headphones, they work because the components are able to handle more power better. You'd burst your eardrums and then the headphones if you tried putting 20V across any planars.

/soundscience

I spent a few hours today listening to the HD650 and LCD-XC (no, the shop didn't have any Hifimans or the LCD2, and this is the first time I've heard high-end headphones bar ~20mins with HD800s in HMV) and can say the bass extension on the latter was just mind-blowing. And the HD650s sounded like a big version of my IE80s, so it looks like I'll be getting the HE400i (after a demo) or HE560. Hopefully the bass lives up to expectations.
I agree again..opamp based amps..when built well and with many opamps, are fully capable to drive any headphone..check the blue circle audio amps..all opamp based..as is my headphone amp..no problems on the powerdepartment biggrin.gif
post #5278 of 10896

Unless my own mother is loaded, I would never let her buy me anything that expensive. Why did you hide such an expensive purchase from your wife, in the first place? Is that normal for you? What made you think that that was a good idea? Do you even have a proper DAC and amp to go with your HE560? I'm just really curious.

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Originally Posted by Art Garfunkel View Post
 

 

Hehe.  It turned out that I was able to salvage my retention of the HE-560, thanks to my mom (still spry at 89). We went out shopping together yesterday (with my wife) and stopped at the RadioShack (or some similar dung-hut) and she bought me the Porta Pro. I gave my wife some money ($60 I saved from the PortaPro) to get her hair done, and mom and I went to the post office and she paid for my HE560 (for accuracy's sake, she made a $700 payment on out credit card). Her philosophy has always been "enjoy life, live while you are able to".

 

 I tried to "prop up my case" to my wife by showing her the enthusiasm present on this HE-560 headphone topic, to no avail.

post #5279 of 10896
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Originally Posted by Art Garfunkel View Post
 

 

Hehe.  It turned out that I was able to salvage my retention of the HE-560, thanks to my mom (still spry at 89). We went out shopping together yesterday (with my wife) and stopped at the RadioShack (or some similar dung-hut) and she bought me the Porta Pro. I gave my wife some money ($60 I saved from the PortaPro) to get her hair done, and mom and I went to the post office and she paid for my HE560 (for accuracy's sake, she made a $700 payment on out credit card). Her philosophy has always been "enjoy life, live while you are able to".

 

 I tried to "prop up my case" to my wife by showing her the enthusiasm present on this HE-560 headphone topic, to no avail.

You should had Simon front you the money. 

 

Yep, and enjoy your hearing. You never know. My mother is 93 and still hears like a bat. You can be in another room and she will hear what you are talking about even when talking quietly. I have patients in their 50's that already have so-so hearing. Music is a  wonderful thing, a joy. 

post #5280 of 10896
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

You should had Simon front you the money. 

 

Yep, and enjoy your hearing. You never know. My mother is 93 and still hears like a bat. You can be in another room and she will hear what you are talking about even when talking quietly. I have patients in their 50's that already have so-so hearing. Music is a  wonderful thing, a joy. 

That gives us a lot of hope. Thanks. :beerchug:

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