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post #5251 of 9401

The rub? Bass isn't missing, it's not the leader like many of the popular phones. If your hip-hop and rap oriented? I would look elsewhere. If like me? Classical and Jazz and Blues or Bluegrass etc..... this is a phone of phones. Revealing is a double edge sword, one length of blade would reveal the source material, yet the first edge or leading cut reveals the chain in front. Your hearing gear before material...... Good fortune for some and flat ugly for others.

 

You can have more than a single phone or system.

post #5252 of 9401
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Originally Posted by barihunk View Post
 

My O2 at 1V RMS input and 4x gain is already very loud for me; how loud do you listen to your music usually? Don't want to be preachy BUT do take care of your hearing... once those inner ear hair cells are damaged, they do not regenerate. 

 

But if you really want to hook it up to speaker amps AFAIK you do it like you would speakers, to the output terminals of the speaker amp. Some IIRC use a speaker wire to XLR/TRS/TRRS adapter to plug the 1/4 or XLR cable to the speaker terminals.

When trying the HE500 with C5D vol was turned to max on low gain with noticeable distortion. High gain produced aggravating distortion even at low volumes. The amp was unusable with those headphones.

 

When trying O2 it was the same except vol level went higher without distortion. I had to go to the max on low gain (6.5x produced distortion much earlier at same volume level). At this point I thought something was broken. A different thing happened when using AV receiver. The distortion was gone but the sound was cloudy and dull like.

 

I was able to try a headphone amp rated 4W at 50ohm and every note was full with the dial in 10-12 position - enjoyable level to discern the clarity of music and hear all the notes. There was no clipping. 

 

My volume level isn't drastically high. Even at lower vol when specific low or high notes play there is a bottoming out sound or a faint crackle "shooshing" type sound. Lesser headphones like ad900x get louder using O2 yet continue to sound full with no clipping or distortion even at higher than usual vol. Those headphones I believe would be considered "easy to drive." After having tried the HE500 I don't think it is as easy to drive as I've read, at least not to receive the full quality of their sound. I can plug it into an iPod but it doesn't sound as good as inferior headphones coming from the same iPod. Pairing it with the correct amp widens the gap greatly in 500's favor.

   

My three biggest impressions of the HE500 are that they're very revealing, linear, and the most uncomfortable thing I ever put on my head.

 

People stated a few times the volume has to be louder on the 560 than 500 so I'm looking at the NFB amps headfiers keep mentioning, especially the NFB15 & 11 (the cheapest ones). I found a few threads with folks using speaker amps to power HE6 & HE500 so I will try it. Hopefully my head won't explode.  

post #5253 of 9401
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Originally Posted by wmedrz View Post
 

When trying the HE500 with C5D vol was turned to max on low gain with noticeable distortion. High gain produced aggravating distortion even at low volumes. The amp was unusable with those headphones.

 

When trying O2 it was the same except vol level went higher without distortion. I had to go to the max on low gain (6.5x produced distortion much earlier at same volume level). At this point I thought something was broken. A different thing happened when using AV receiver. The distortion was gone but the sound was cloudy and dull like.

 

I was able to try a headphone amp rated 4W at 50ohm and every note was full with the dial in 10-12 position - enjoyable level to discern the clarity of music and hear all the notes. There was no clipping. 

 

My volume level isn't drastically high. Even at lower vol when specific low or high notes play there is a bottoming out sound or a faint crackle "shooshing" type sound. Lesser headphones like ad900x get louder using O2 yet continue to sound full with no clipping or distortion even at higher than usual vol. Those headphones I believe would be considered "easy to drive." After having tried the HE500 I don't think it is as easy to drive as I've read, at least not to receive the full quality of their sound. I can plug it into an iPod but it doesn't sound as good as inferior headphones coming from the same iPod. Pairing it with the correct amp widens the gap greatly in 500's favor.

   

My three biggest impressions of the HE500 are that they're very revealing, linear, and the most uncomfortable thing I ever put on my head.

 

People stated a few times the volume has to be louder on the 560 than 500 so I'm looking at the NFB amps headfiers keep mentioning, especially the NFB15 & 11 (the cheapest ones). I found a few threads with folks using speaker amps to power HE6 & HE500 so I will try it. Hopefully my head won't explode.  


Moral of the story? Don't use portable or transportable amps with current needy ortho's. I know that we have newbies using orthos with the little Vali and believe "it powers it fine". It doesn't....... You need current and plenty of it, stable current not "peak" current.

post #5254 of 9401
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
 


Moral of the story? Don't use portable or transportable amps with current needy ortho's. I know that we have newbies using orthos with the little Vali and believe "it powers it fine". It doesn't....... You need current and plenty of it, stable current not "peak" current.

 

According to iFi, the soon to be internationally released micro iDSD at its "Turbo" setting will output a stable current equal to 10V so 2W at 50Ω which is pretty good…

 

Did I mention it's portable?

 

You also have that ginormous Bakoon "portable" amplifier, the HDA-5520 though I'm unsure with its output power ratings


Edited by maricius - 7/13/14 at 12:29am
post #5255 of 9401

I'm hoping the CEntrance HiFi-M8 will be an exception that that "moral" as well.

post #5256 of 9401
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

According to iFi, the soon to be internationally released micro iDSD at its "Turbo" setting will output a stable current equal to 10V so 2W at 50Ω which is pretty good…

 

Did I mention it's portable?

 

You also have that ginormous Bakoon "portable" amplifier, the HDA-5520 though I'm unsure with its output power ratings


Just be wary about spending $900.00 (in this instance) for a phone, then the 2 watts might be 1 WPC (peak). It will drive, meaning it will make noise, yet will it be the beautiful noise the phone is capable of? Peak capabilities and sustained capabilities into a "fixed" load can be manipulated by both vendors and manufacturers. The portable or headphone segment part of the industry isn't governed by the same guidelines as home gear. Caveat Emptor....

 

Here's another one that will twerk your nose,  I'm not a fan of op-amps and higher power. Sturdy, stable and powerful discrete (at least on the output) designs are the "best" way to enjoy what ortho's are capable of (IMO).


Edited by achristilaw - 7/13/14 at 3:48am
post #5257 of 9401
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Originally Posted by JustinBieber View Post
 

Since we're talking about amping, anybody own an Audio-Gd Precision 1 and HE560 (I doubt it) or another planar like HE500? Info is scarce on it... only read one positive review with an LCD2 and other randoms.  

 

Seems really appalling to me and I might want to get one, ~16W @ 40ohm, and a powerful speaker amp as well. Pricing is very fair too at $600 for the specs on paper. 

 

I had two headfiers over last night and we did some comparisons with the 560 through several amps and one was the Audio GD Fun (I think). I didn't get to listen to that combo but you might ask RonO. Got a package headed your way tomorrow...JB. 

 

Jerg...could you add my review to the first page? thanks...

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/hifiman-he-560/reviews/11263

post #5258 of 9401
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post


Just be wary about spending $900.00 (in this instance) for a phone, then the 2 watts might be 1 WPC (peak). It will drive, meaning it will make noise, yet will it be the beautiful noise the phone is capable of? Peak capabilities and sustained capabilities into a "fixed" load can be manipulated by both vendors and manufacturers. The portable or headphone segment part of the industry isn't governed by the same guidelines as home gear. Caveat Emptor....

Here's another one that will twerk your nose,  I'm not a fan of op-amps and higher power. Sturdy, stable and powerful discrete (at least on the output) designs are the "best" way to enjoy what ortho's are capable of (IMO).
may i be so free to disagree on that..i have living proof in my home that an opamp based amp can sound excellent and perfect for any ortho dynamic, even the he6.. Its now driving a code-x (upgraded he5) perfectly

but its not cheap to own a good opamp based (headphone) amp..certainly way above 1000usd...thats true! biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/13/14 at 4:23am
post #5259 of 9401
Sloth characteristics of tubes? Really? Now I can't take anything you say seriously.
post #5260 of 9401
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Sloth characteristics of tubes? Really? Now I can't take anything you say seriously.

If you like stats' the grid is run off of plate voltage. Tubes make that bridge rather easy... 


SET outputs are slower, rounded and not the best extended. Tubes on inlets, the signal variety are a different matter. Folks that use tubes (output) like the response as it's not particularly threatening. I have a Moth 2A3/45Hi that is credible with my Sennheisers.... not the most accurate or advantageous for orthos.

 

For an Ortho? Tubes shouldn't be the first choice, even though the makers advertise as great for orthos. The ortho needs stable constant current, tube outputs are best as voltage devices. Yes, they make noise and you can be free to disagree... not the ultimate ortho driver. (IMO)! You don't have to take anything seriously.........


Edited by achristilaw - 7/13/14 at 6:00am
post #5261 of 9401
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


may i be so free to disagree on that..i have living proof in my home that an opamp based amp can sound excellent and perfect for any ortho dynamic, even the he6.. Its now driving a code-x (upgraded he5) perfectly

but its not cheap to own a good opamp based (headphone) amp..certainly way above 1000usd...thats true! biggrin.gif


What's perfection for one might be substandard for another. It's not an absolute rule that you can't use op-amps and not find your nirvana:D..... just my findings over the years.

post #5262 of 9401
I agree that low powered tube amps are not good with orthos. Your post comes across that you think tubes have no high-end and are slow and sloppy.
post #5263 of 9401
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post


Here's another one that will twerk your nose,  I'm not a fan of op-amps and higher power. Sturdy, stable and powerful discrete (at least on the output) designs are the "best" way to enjoy what ortho's are capable of (IMO).

Very interested in knowing your recommended list of such amps that fall into this category.
Many thanks,
post #5264 of 9401

O2 does just fine with planars.

post #5265 of 9401
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I had two headfiers over last night and we did some comparisons with the 560 through several amps and one was the Audio GD Fun (I think). I didn't get to listen to that combo but you might ask RonO. Got a package headed your way tomorrow...JB. 

 

Jerg...could you add my review to the first page? thanks...

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/hifiman-he-560/reviews/11263

Yep, also added 2 other writeups from the review subforum.

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