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Shipping between Canada and the US.. or rather from the US into Canada is the worst I've ever encountered.  I can get a parcel from Japan in 3-4 days, England about the same but for the same price (sometimes even more) it will routinely take 2 weeks.  Shipping from Canada into the US is fine though.

 

I also paid for Express service, $50!  Shipped on Tuesday and still not even at the border..  That's pathetic.  I'm pretty annoyed I spent the extra $25 on shipping now..

 

but... as someone said.. "first world problems"

 

regarding marriage... well, kids are great..


First world problems for sure, but marriage seems to be a universal one! I agree, kids are great. I think people should get married when they are in their 50s and all of the stupidity has worked it's way out. My guess is Thursday for me, but with you in Victoria I am not so sure. I think one reason why our postal system is so much faster (seemingly) may be that there are so many more population centres in the US so perhaps there are more nodes trucks have to stop at?


Edited by Sonic Defender - 7/12/14 at 6:31pm
post #5237 of 10387
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Originally Posted by Art Garfunkel View Post
 

 

Thank you for the encouragement Mr Achristilaw, but I have to turn the boat back. My wife found out about my purchase on the credit card statement and was very upset. Therefore, I have to return the HE-560. I have to go out this afternoon with her and get a Koss PortaPro I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THAT for the home stereo and on-the-go listening.


You could get a second job......you could get a second identity, you might threaten divorce. You could tell her it's over and your marrying her sister...... ANYTHING but giving back YOUR 560's! With the Porta Pro? You still have music..... they aren't a half bad piece of kit actually. You will have to give back your Head-Fi membership.... we can't have members who care about wallets;)

post #5238 of 10387

Received my HE-560 Thursday and I haven't spent but a few (10?) hours listening to them, but I do have some initial impressions.

 

The wood trim does look a bit tacky in my opinion, but others who do not know the history seem to like the look.  They look nice, not top-of-the-line, but the fit and finish on my unit was great.  I have no complaints. And as many others have said, it's really all about the sound ...at least to me.

 

Also, The HE560 is light and comfortable, a lot more so than some of my other headphones.  For example, clamping force is much less than an Audeze and the weight seems much less than Audezes or other HifiMan.

 

So how do they sound?  I am pleased with the sound, but not ecstatic.  They seem very well balanced, but they did not "wow" me.  I have heard virtually all of the Hifiman full sized headphones and I own quite a few, HE6, HE500, HE400, to name a few.  I believe I prefer the 560s to each of those, in an overall sense, but the other models do perform some things better.  HE-6 is clearer, the HE500 is a little more forward/fuller sounding, but in my opinion a little colored in the mids.  And I actually do like that vocals are neither pushed forward or recessed.

 

I would also say the 560 headphones are great for allowing me to listen at reasonable low/moderate volumes.  Probably for two reasons.  They are well balanced and, unfortunately, because I do not feel compelled to turn them up ...doing so simply does not make the sound more exciting or live, as some headphones do.  I mentioned earlier that these headphones are pretty balanced; there is no one element that is offensive, it does everything pretty well, almost like playing it safe?  The sounds are not vibrant to me and the dynamics are very good, but not the best; in fact there is a slight (not objectionable, but noticeable to my ears) mellowness in the mid-range.  If they lacked in quantity at any one frequency range, I would say the midbass has not quite filled out completely, but it is reasonably tight, clear, and present.  Overall, I perceived the presentation to be just slightly warm of neutral, but the treble was definitely present and the overall sound was cohesive.

 

When I compared these headphones to the Senn HD800, the HE560, even when turned up loud, lacked the hard crisp hits (and not necessarily talking about crispness in treble) of the HD800,  The drums sounded somewhat softer than the HD800 (note I did not say soft, I said softer than the HD800) and I felt the HD800 sounded a bit more real and life-like.  Now the HD800 is not my perfect headphone either, it just happens to be the headphone I had an opportunity to compare to the HE560.

 

For me, the HE560 is a great headphone that I will keep and appreciate.  It's a bit 'polite' as one of my friends said; incidentally, he also said it sounded similar to his Maggie speaker (don't know which model).  I think the HE 560 sounds pretty neutral; clear, and dynamic - just possibly not absolute when compared to the best.  It does a whole lot really well and it is the type of headphone I could comfortably wear/listen to all day long,

 

 

The headphones are still new and I do believe in subtle burn in of both headphone and brain so I am not passing judgement on these one way or the other.  In case you are interested, I listened to the HE560 and compared with the HD800 using an Emotiva CD player and a Grado Headphone amp, as well as a HiFiman tube headphone amp.  Unfortunately (for my ears), I do most of my listening at reasonably loud volumes, depending on mood.  During the comparison, I listened to jazz, classic rock, orchestrial, and rock such as Red Hot Chilly Peppers (this disc was actually one that showed a significant difference between the HD800 and the HE560.

 

I'm sure I left a lot of useful information out, but I know others have a lot to say and there is no need for me to repeat.  My one hope is that my review should not discourage anyone from trying the 560's they are very good; I perhaps focused on some of the negative aspects for this posting, but they are, in my opinion, going to be popular when people begin to hear just how balanced they sound.


Edited by buffer - 7/13/14 at 9:20pm
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The wood trim does look a bit tacky in my opinion, but others who do not know the history seem to like the look.  They look nice, not top-of-the-line, but I the fit and finish on my unit was great.  I have no complaints. And as many others have said, it's really all about the sound ...at least to me.

 

 

Ha! Yeah, the wood trim reminds me of a 1970s Chevy Monte Carlo dashboard. But all is forgiven when I listen to these beauties. Nice thoughtful comprehensive comments sir-- 'enjoyed reading it. Thanks.


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/12/14 at 7:50pm
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Even after having the pre-productiong model, I actually really like this design.  IMO, it's more artistic and creative in many ways.  I do wish the plastic housing (on the outside) had more of a sand-blasted texture to it though to really finish out the design aspects.  But this is from an artistic standpoint :p  I do understand people wishing for full-wood though.  

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@ buffer - really appreciate reviews like yours
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@ buffer - really appreciate reviews like yours

 

+1 - Someone, @jerg, add this to the FP! 

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More back on topic, the lack of bass through mid-bass artifact of the HE-560 is a boon to the Classical music user. Other forms of music might be shown to suffer, that would be dependent upon the user and his/her ancillaries'.

 

 Listening last eve' to the oldie "Eric Clapton: Unplugged" and contrasting the Alpha was interesting. The Alpha was toe tapping great and good Hi-Fi.... the HE-560 peeled away the excess warmth, or resonance and made the selection sound astoundingly life like. Veils dropped and exposed the spacing between performers, the starts and stops are a forte of HE-560. The leading edge (or bleeding edge using digital) is less emphasized using the HIFIMAN.... notes just appear.  


Edited by achristilaw - 7/12/14 at 10:05pm
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Take this with a grain of salt, but a potential synergistic matching amp for the 560s (among many I am sure) should be the Yulong A18. There is a very good and in depth review of it here (a quick search will find it). I trust this particular reviewers experience and I have also heard from A18/HE 500 owners of the synergy. Essentially here is why I elected to try the A18:

 

1) The 560 bass is consistently reported as quite good and articulate, but tending toward a taut leaness. The A18 is supposed to be a very strong amp where bass is concerned with plenty of power and voltage swinging ability. This seems to suggest that where the 560 may falter a hair, the A18 should pick it up.

 

2) The 560 is consistently described as having good to excellent mids, albeit a little on the dry/neutral side. The A18 is reputed to have very balanced, liquid-full mids so again a little help where there may be a lag with the 560.

 

3) The 560 is consistently described as possessing very articulate and non-fatiguing highs with stock pads a little toward bright. The A18 is a slightly warm rolled off treble amp, but not supposed to be so much so that detail is lost, rather it is supposed to be musical and accurate, but not for the analytical crowd. As I read this, with the brighter stock pads the slight roll off may again be very beneficial.

 

I am of course waiting on both items so there is no way I can confirm these ideas, but the opinions of A18/HE 500 users seem to suggest these expectations are very realistic indeed. I will certainly post when I can with direct listening of my own. Come on USPS, you can end my agony!

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Since we're talking about amping, anybody own an Audio-Gd Precision 1 and HE560 (I doubt it) or another planar like HE500? Info is scarce on it... only read one positive review with an LCD2 and other randoms.  

 

Seems really appealing to me and I might want to get one, ~16W @ 40ohm, and a powerful speaker amp as well. Pricing is very fair too at $600 for the specs on paper. 


Edited by JustinBieber - 7/13/14 at 8:19am
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The combining of two components yielding a compliment, then that resulting mating punching above their weight, is my definition of the most important component one could have...... synergy. I don't post much because of the agony folks do to themselves in combining equipment. Makes me wish for reach through thump-o-vision:rolleyes:.  

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The combining of two components yielding a compliment, then that resulting mating punching above their weight, is my definition of the most important component one could have...... synergy. I don't post much because of the agony folks do to themselves in combining equipment. Makes me wish for reach through thump-o-vision:rolleyes:.  


I hear you brother, I read post about somebody not liking hot mastering but that describes most of their music collection and then they get the Grado 325i and pair them with a bright amp! I hope my A18/560 combination works as well as it seems it should. The design parameters match and the fact that both are also highly musical is encouraging. Time will tell, but there is no way on the planet that my Asgard 2 is going to match the 560 better so at worst I moved sideways, but I doubt that greatly. I now wish I had kept my Auditor, but I still think the slightly mellowed approach of the A18 is going to work just fine.


Edited by Sonic Defender - 7/12/14 at 10:32pm
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I hear you brother, I read post about somebody not liking hot mastering but that describes most of their music collection and then they get the Grado 325i and pair them with a bright amp! I hope my A18/560 combination works as well as it seems it should. The design parameters match and the fact that both are also highly musical is encouraging. Time will tell, but there is no way on the planet that my Asgard 2 is going to match the 560 better so at worst I moved sideways, but I doubt that greatly. I now wish I had kept my Auditor, but I still think the slightly mellowed approach of the A18 is going to work just fine.

As long as the amp is slightly warm it'll pair very well with the HE-560. That's the advice I received from a hifi shop in Melbourne called Addicted to Audio. smily_headphones1.gif I hope the pair works out for you my friend!
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 


I hear you brother, I read post about somebody not liking hot mastering but that describes most of their music collection and then they get the Grado 325i and pair them with a bright amp! I hope my A18/560 combination works as well as it seems it should. The design parameters match and the fact that both are also highly musical is encouraging. Time will tell, but there is no way on the planet that my Asgard 2 is going to match the 560 better so at worst I moved sideways, but I doubt that greatly. I now wish I had kept my Auditor, but I still think the slightly mellowed approach of the A18 is going to work just fine.


I can see folks using tubes and melding the sloth characteristics of tubes and the current needy ortho. I don't, won't and never would myself as I like the performance parameters of the HE-560 as is. Yet it will happen... to drastically alter the perceived lack of middle to low end "warmth". That would defeat the "clear" advantage this phone brings to the table (IMO). I like the sound of acoustic instruments in real space, as it is? So does the HE-560!

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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
 

More back on topic, the lack of bass through mid-bass artifact of the HE-560 is a boon to the Classical music user. Other forms of music might be shown to suffer, that would be dependent upon the user and his/her ancillaries'.

 

 Listening last eve' to the oldie "Eric Clapton: Unplugged" and contrasting the Alpha was interesting. The Alpha was toe tapping great and good Hi-Fi.... the HE-560 peeled away the excess warmth, or resonance and made the selection sound astoundingly life like. Veils dropped and exposed the spacing between performers, the starts and stops are a forte of HE-560. The leading edge (or bleeding edge using digital) is less emphasized using the HIFIMAN.... notes just appear.  

 

Less mid-bass tends to make the bass thinner and not as bodied if I'm not mistaken.  With that said, I see where you're coming from, but I feel that it's not the midbass that's missing from the 560, it's the mid-bass, or bass in general, that's missing from the track being fed. 

 

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As long as the amp is slightly warm it'll pair very well with the HE-560. That's the advice I received from a hifi shop in Melbourne called Addicted to Audio. smily_headphones1.gif I hope the pair works out for you my friend!

 

Definitely see why this is certainly preferred by many people.  A warmer amp definitely helps out the boosted treble of the 560, which a lot of people had issues with.  With that said, a warmer amp definitely helps the 560 become a much more natural sounding phone. 

 

Personally, I love the revealing nature of the 560, and making it a natural phone takes a bit away from that.  So I'd rather have a more neutral amp ;) 

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