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post #5191 of 8292
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Your're not Rob Ford by any chance, are you? :-)

I have a medium to large head and I need the next to smallest setting, just for comparison. Is it the clamping or lateral width that is the factor here? They are the teeniest bit clampy, but less than several other phones, and maybe they can be bent a little (I have not tried it,

but most phones I have found can be adjusted this way).

I actually found the HD600 too tight and clampy and more uncomfortable.

Maybe Hifiman could chime in with suggestions for adjustment...

If you want comfort for a big head, I find the big Grados very accommodating (and I really like the GS1000 and there is a new 'e' version out now).


LOL, Rob Ford has really penetrated into American pop culture when he gets referenced on a head-fi thread!

post #5192 of 8292
I have a pretty big head and I used the third from bottom setting. Unless you're a giant or Einstein, it's more probably to do with where your ears sit on your head (some peoples are really low/high) you could try some minimal bending of the headphone. Or modding - maybe someone has suggestions on how to do some extending?
post #5193 of 8292

Can the HE560 be driven without an amp, e.g. directly from a mobile media player?

Thanks in advance

post #5194 of 8292
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
 


Just make sure you have an amp on tap that delivers the stable current needed, most folks buy an ortho and are under amped!

 

Thank you for the encouragement Mr Achristilaw, but I have to turn the boat back. My wife found out about my purchase on the credit card statement and was very upset. Therefore, I have to return the HE-560. I have to go out this afternoon with her and get a Koss PortaPro I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THAT for the home stereo and on-the-go listening.

post #5195 of 8292
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Originally Posted by Rafu64 View Post
 

Can the HE560 be driven without an amp, e.g. directly from a mobile media player?

Thanks in advance

 

Yes, with the stated 35 ohm impedance, you'll be able to drive the HE-560 from a portable media player. I've tried my iPhone 5, iPad Mini and Fiio X3 and all drove the HE-560 admirably. Admittedly I enjoy the HE-560 even more when I feed the output of those portable devices into my RSA Intruder which then converts it to a balanced signal and amplifies it to a balanced output. I've modded the stock cable that came with my HE-560 so I can run them balanced or single-ended, but I prefer them in balanced mode.

 

That said, you should still enjoy the HE-560 when fed from a portable media player.

 

Dale

post #5196 of 8292
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Your're not Rob Ford by any chance, are you? :-)

I have a medium to large head and I need the next to smallest setting, just for comparison. Is it the clamping or lateral width that is the factor here? They are the teeniest bit clampy, but less than several other phones, and maybe they can be bent a little (I have not tried it,

but most phones I have found can be adjusted this way).

I actually found the HD600 too tight and clampy and more uncomfortable.

Maybe Hifiman could chime in with suggestions for adjustment...

If you want comfort for a big head, I find the big Grados very accommodating (and I really like the GS1000 and there is a new 'e' version out now).

 

No, just have a brain the size of the universe (points to anyone who got that reference)

 

I have the (p)leather band on the biggest setting on both sides and am pushing against the metal band when they're on, plus the bottom of my ears are touching the pad. It's vertical distance that is the problem, width is perfect, and weight is also very very good. The curse of a large head I guess.

 

Edit: I should say that I have no such problem with the HE-400s. Or the HD600s. They are both "tall" enough for my head.


Edited by barihunk - 7/12/14 at 12:10pm
post #5197 of 8292
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Originally Posted by Art Garfunkel View Post
 

 

Thank you for the encouragement Mr Achristilaw, but I have to turn the boat back. My wife found out about my purchase on the credit card statement and was very upset. Therefore, I have to return the HE-560. I have to go out this afternoon with her and get a Koss PortaPro I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THAT for the home stereo and on-the-go listening.


Unless you were spending in a manner that was rash or dangerous I fail to see why you couldn't keep the headphones. Do you work and contribute to the household? I hate to say it but women typically never approve of such expenses whether they are actually affordable or not. I would support your wife's view if you were being crazy and spending well beyond your means, but if you could pay the credit card hit off in say 4 months then you should keep them. You may look back and say why did I let her tell me what to do. Women are frequently angry where our audio behavior is concerned and if you let them dictate your gear you will be listening to music through Sony earbuds and a Walkman they found at a yard sale for $2. I have a PortaPro and they are certainly nice, but I do hate hearing about women telling us what to do meanwhile a trip through their clothing collection is often interesting, but of course that is different. Cheers, and sorry for your loss.

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Unless you were spending in a manner that was rash or dangerous I fail to see why you couldn't keep the headphones. Do you work and contribute to the household? I hate to say it but women typically never approve of such expenses whether they are actually affordable or not. I would support your wife's view if you were being crazy and spending well beyond your means, but if you could pay the credit card hit off in say 4 months then you should keep them. You may look back and say why did I let her tell me what to do. Women are frequently angry where our audio behavior is concerned and if you let them dictate your gear you will be listening to music through Sony earbuds and a Walkman they found at a yard sale for $2. I have a PortaPro and they are certainly nice, but I do hate hearing about women telling us what to do meanwhile a trip through their clothing collection is often interesting, but of course that is different. Cheers, and sorry for your loss.

 

Hesitated to weigh in, but now I have to.  Not consulting your spouse on a $900 purchase is foolish, irresponsible, and probably both; unless you're made of money, of course, and dropping a grand here and there is no big deal.  Also, my wife fully understands that I want these cans, and is not against the idea, but by mutual consent it'll take my birthday or Christmas before that happens.  And even then, I'm not so sure about them.  Can I justify the expense in light of how often I use my HE-500s, which I love.  OTOH, she recognizes this is my hobby, and really the only one that costs any serious money to pursue, and in that sense she is very supportive.

 

It's a tough lesson to learn, having your wise pissed at you.  It's not pleasant.  Hopefully Art learned a lesson or two, as they are certainly there to be learned.  That said, I agree that one shouldn't allow oneself to get pushed around.  It's all about finding that balance.  Unless you're @hifimanrookie, who seems capable of hiding even bigger expenses, communication is best.

 

Back on track, keep all those impressions coming.  It's interesting to watch the hype train suddenly become a roller coaster of sorts.

post #5199 of 8292
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Originally Posted by Rafu64 View Post

Can the HE560 be driven without an amp, e.g. directly from a mobile media player?
Thanks in advance

It can be driven directly from a mobile device. I've used it straight out of my iPhone 5s at comfortable listening levels. They are designed for use with an amp though.
post #5200 of 8292
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Hesitated to weigh in, but now I have to.  Not consulting your spouse on a $900 purchase is foolish, irresponsible, and probably both; unless you're made of money, of course, and dropping a grand here and there is no big deal.  Also, my wife fully understands that I want these cans, and is not against the idea, but by mutual consent it'll take my birthday or Christmas before that happens.  And even then, I'm not so sure about them.  Can I justify the expense in light of how often I use my HE-500s, which I love.  OTOH, she recognizes this is my hobby, and really the only one that costs any serious money to pursue, and in that sense she is very supportive.

 

It's a tough lesson to learn, having your wise pissed at you.  It's not pleasant.  Hopefully Art learned a lesson or two, as they are certainly there to be learned.  That said, I agree that one shouldn't allow oneself to get pushed around.  It's all about finding that balance.  Unless you're @hifimanrookie, who seems capable of hiding even bigger expenses, communication is best.

 

Back on track, keep all those impressions coming.  It's interesting to watch the hype train suddenly become a roller coaster of sorts.


Words of wisdom for sure, and yes I am married and I do myself try to communicate such things, but I'll be honest, not always. There is an old adage, "better to ask for forgiveness than for permission". I still feel that if somebody works, and they can afford such a purchase without risking any real financial hardship they shouldn't really need permission. Now if your bills are stupidly high and your child needs braces that is another matter, but I doubt even 1 wife out of 50 would approve of such an expense. When it comes to audio, they just don't see what it is we love. Now I have met many wives who think nothing of collecting antiques, as I said that is different. So just to clarify my position if you can really afford these and you aren't robbing Peter to pay Paul, get them. Life is short my friends and we look back and regret what we didn't do more than what we did. Pay your bills promptly and enjoy life while you are young. The moral of the story is make sure your credit card isn't a joint one and go paperless statements!

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It can be driven directly from a mobile device. I've used it straight out of my iPhone 5s at comfortable listening levels. They are designed for use with an amp though.

They work out of my iPhone 5s as well though they need the volume turned up. How high you need to go depends on what impedance your drivers end up measuring at. Mine are 49 ohms so they need more volume than my HE-500 at 29ohms. The driver impedance can be all over the map having tested a bunch of Hifimans which is just a manufacturing variance.

 

I've tested my HE-500 and HE-560 out of various amps including my Macbook Pro and there was absolutely no difference in sound quality, except when I wanted to imagine it. All the talk about properly driving them is just a myth. If you get the volume you need and the amp is decent and clean with a flat response you'll be good.

post #5202 of 8292
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Originally Posted by moshen View Post

They work out of my iPhone 5s as well though they need the volume turned up. How high you need to go depends on what impedance your drivers end up measuring at. Mine are 49 ohms so they need more volume than my HE-500 at 29ohms. The driver impedance can be all over the map having tested a bunch of Hifimans which is just a manufacturing variance.

I've tested my HE-500 and HE-560 out of various amps including my Macbook Pro and there was absolutely no difference in sound quality, except when I wanted to imagine it. All the talk about properly driving them is just a myth. If you get the volume you need and the amp is decent and clean with a flat response you'll be good.

DACs and amps can color sound. Different amps have different output impedance a which can impact the sound of headphones with non-linear impedance response, though the HE-560 shouldn't fall into that category. I know that the V-Moda Vamp Verza is warm in comparison to my iPhone. The NAD D 1050 that I'm currently testing is pretty neutral (comparable with the iPhone) with a slight, very slight variation.
post #5203 of 8292
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post


DACs and amps can color sound. Different amps have different output impedance a which can impact the sound of headphones with non-linear impedance response, though the HE-560 shouldn't fall into that category. I know that the V-Moda Vamp Verza is warm in comparison to my iPhone. The NAD D 1050 that I'm currently testing is pretty neutral (comparable with the iPhone) with a slight, very slight variation.

This is true, I agree with you for headphones with non-linear impedance response (especially IEMs) - the output impedance of the amp can effect how it sounds. Thanks for bringing that up. Planar magnetics don't fall in this category so they should sound the same given a good amp w/flat response and minimal distortion.

 

I've heard a difference with amps where the frequency response of the amp was not flat (rolled off bass), also confirmed when I graphed the frequency response using a known good soundcard. I ditched those amps. But I found the Macbook Pro and iPhones to be really good and flat.

 

The HE-560 sounds great on them.

post #5204 of 8292
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post


Words of wisdom for sure, and yes I am married and I do myself try to communicate such things, but I'll be honest, not always. There is an old adage, "better to ask for forgiveness than for permission". I still feel that if somebody works, and they can afford such a purchase without risking any real financial hardship they shouldn't really need permission. Now if your bills are stupidly high and your child needs braces that is another matter, but I doubt even 1 wife out of 50 would approve of such an expense. When it comes to audio, they just don't see what it is we love. Now I have met many wives who think nothing of collecting antiques, as I said that is different. So just to clarify my position if you can really afford these and you aren't robbing Peter to pay Paul, get them. Life is short my friends and we look back and regret what we didn't do more than what we did. Pay your bills promptly and enjoy life while you are young. The moral of the story is make sure your credit card isn't a joint one and go paperless statements!

 

All I can say is that I'm glad my wife is so unique!  And apparently I'm one-in-four-billion ;-)  If the small indulgences can't be managed equitably, not to mention with equanimity... well, good luck with that (not you, but in general).

 

But yeah, if both people agree on separate accounts - and that would include bank accounts, not just credit cards - then of course it's your money to spend.  I'm not familiar with that arrangement actually existing, but I reckon there's a couple couples out there who could make it work in the long run.

post #5205 of 8292
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

Hesitated to weigh in, but now I have to.  Not consulting your spouse on a $900 purchase is foolish, irresponsible, and probably both; unless you're made of money, of course, and dropping a grand here and there is no big deal.  Also, my wife fully understands that I want these cans, and is not against the idea, but by mutual consent it'll take my birthday or Christmas before that happens.  And even then, I'm not so sure about them.  Can I justify the expense in light of how often I use my HE-500s, which I love.  OTOH, she recognizes this is my hobby, and really the only one that costs any serious money to pursue, and in that sense she is very supportive.

It's a tough lesson to learn, having your wise pissed at you.  It's not pleasant.  Hopefully Art learned a lesson or two, as they are certainly there to be learned.  That said, I agree that one shouldn't allow oneself to get pushed around.  It's all about finding that balance.  Unless you're @hifimanrookie
, who seems capable of hiding even bigger expenses, communication is best.

Back on track, keep all those impressions coming.  It's interesting to watch the hype train suddenly become a roller coaster of sorts.
Am i hearing my name? Well my secret is letting her spend also on her hobby (fashion etc)..eventhough i disagree sometimes what she spends on some stuff she buys..and yeah..she also hides/ lies a bit about the buys..but i do as if i dont know..(ofcourse i know!! I do my homework.its my job.always..lolz) and so we are in a balance...sort off...treat each other with respect and some space..and u wont have any problems..i mean...if ur budget allows it ofcourse!!!! Its stupid to spend money if u need it for ur family or something else important in ur life...thats stupid...on every account...or dont do things with ur loved ones as u need the money for ur hobyy..any hobby!!! Cars (I know!), jewelry (watches anyone?), bikes etc..all expensive hobbies...and all have to be second to ur personal life...it helps u to be a more balanced person..sometimes...but its an extra in life...IMHO ofcourse!!!! What i do is put 300euro aside (sometimes more depends what i wanna buy) and transfer it to my secret paypal account..and so no one sees what i have:-) and i ALWAYS SAY that i bought my stuff second hand...wifey does the same thing...but she just bought me a nice new audio rack (see my new pics) for my birthday with my daughter..that was a.HUGE SURPRISE!!!!!.. So i have a feeling she knows all..but keeps the peace so she can buy her stuff..lolz
Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/12/14 at 1:32pm
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