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post #5161 of 9608
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Originally Posted by moshen View Post
 

 

This is pretty accurate. I'd add:

 

LCD 2.2 >> HE-400 > HE-500 > (marginally) HE -560 > HD800

 

The bass difference between my HE-500 and HE-560 is subtle and only around 30hz and under the HE-500 has slightly more rumble. HE-500 also has a bit more punch to the bass, but the HE-560 has a bit more clarity and sounds more open.

 

The HE-560 bass does have a bit better clarity, although I'm not sure if this is mostly because it has slightly less rumble.

 

The HE-500 is slightly more 'fun' due to a bit more punch and sub bass and the HE-560 a bit more open and refined.


Honestly, you'd have to swap both headphones back and forth and volume match perfectly to be able to tell these differences. Listening to just one w/o the other they sound really similar.

 

The comfort & weight difference is massive however.

 

After more listening i have to take some of this back. I think the HE-560 is equal to HE-500 in bass not less. The reason it's hard to gauge is because I need to turn the volume way up on the HE-560 compared to the HE-500 so when I swap to compare, either the HE-560 immediately sounds too thin or the HE-500 is much louder. Once I more carefully volume match it's clear the HE-560 bass is just as powerful.

 

The mids and treble on the HE-560 are perfect as well. The detailing, textures, separation all around is just amazing for electronic music - which is mostly what I listen to. 

 

Overall the headphone has an extremely balanced, open and refined sound. I'm really happy with it.


Edited by moshen - 7/12/14 at 12:46am
post #5162 of 9608
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by tin427 View Post


Still cant decide sa31 or lyr2... Solid state or tube..


Easy, tube. With a tube you can tailor the sound to your liking.

 

You can 'custom tailor' some solid state stuff as well - op-amp and buffer rolling is becoming more commonplace. Even on devices that it was never intended on, like the Fiio X3 (see http://www.head-fi.org/t/669830/fiio-x3-mod-ad8397-to-ad8620 ). And of course if you're not too much of a purist, you can also use EQ on either tube-based or solid state gear.

 

Dale


Edited by AgentXXL - 7/12/14 at 12:46am
post #5163 of 9608
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Originally Posted by moshen View Post
 

 

After more listening i have to take some of this back. I think the HE-560 is equal to HE-500 in bass not less.

Ah, nice. Glad you're happy with your purchase. I was talking to a guy that was selling the 500 that said he found it equal in bass to the AKG k712 (which is super similar to my past Annie which left me wanting). Now, idk if that was due to lack of amping or what. Hopefully the 400i has more bass than the 500.

post #5164 of 9608
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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post
 

 

You can 'custom tailor' some solid state stuff as well - op-amp and buffer rolling is becoming more commonplace.

What is an op-amp? I have heard about it before but not sure. Buffer rolling? O.o NO clue what that is.

post #5165 of 9608
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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post
 

 

You can 'custom tailor' some solid state stuff as well - op-amp and buffer rolling is becoming more commonplace.

What is an op-amp? I have heard about it before but not sure. Buffer rolling? O.o NO clue what that is.

 

Both the op-amps and buffers are solid state integrated circuits (ICs). Those are the 'chips' that make up the majority of today's electronic systems. It's mainly in the audio and power handling areas that analog circuitry like tubes, relays, discrete transistors and more are used to create a specific sound (or in some cases, a completely neutral sound otherwise known as 'wire with gain').

 

Here's an example of a dual op-amp, that's used in the factory Fiio X3:

 

http://www.analog.com/en/all-operational-amplifiers-op-amps/operational-amplifiers-op-amps/ad8397/products/product.html

 

Dale

post #5166 of 9608

Anyone having difficulty tightening or loosening the nut that attaches the cables to the ear cups may find the following wrench useful.

 


http://www.toolplanet.com/product/MIT-6-MM-Polished-Combination-Wrench-MIT-21231?vfsku=MIT21231&gpla=pla&gclid=CPG7-7auv78CFYZaMgodvVQAiw

post #5167 of 9608
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 

Ah, nice. Glad you're happy with your purchase. I was talking to a guy that was selling the 500 that said he found it equal in bass to the AKG k712 (which is super similar to my past Annie which left me wanting). Now, idk if that was due to lack of amping or what. Hopefully the 400i has more bass than the 500.

I see you had the HE-400, if you enjoyed the bass there you wouldn't have any complaints with the HE-560. It just might be a bit less upfront due to how it's balanced. The rendition of bass is different from the HE-500 that I've been comparing with extensively. I listen to mostly electronic music where the texturing of bass is very prominent part of the sound and the HE-560 does it with more finesse than the HE-500. It's also similar to how the bass in the HE-400 sounds a bit cleaner than on the HE-500.


After much comparing, I concluded people are worrying too much about the bass in the HE-560. I was also worried about this before I received mine, since I listen to mostly electronic. I do need to turn up the volume quite a bit compared to my HE-500 so the HE-560 seems thin before I volume match. Once I get them the same volume, it's apparent it's neither thin nor any less in quantity than the HE-500.

 

If you want more than the HE-400 I recommend the LCD2. I had one for a week and thought it was a beautiful sounding headphone that extended extremely deep without sounding too much or bloated (with what I like to listen to).

 

Right now, for me the HE-560 is perfect..


Edited by moshen - 7/12/14 at 2:01am
post #5168 of 9608
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Originally Posted by moshen View Post
 

I see you had the HE-400, if you enjoyed the bass there you wouldn't have any complaints with the HE-560. It just might be a bit less upfront due to how it's balanced. The rendition of bass is different from the HE-500 that I've been comparing with extensively. I listen to mostly electronic music where the texturing of bass is very prominent part of the sound and the HE-560 does it with more finesse than the HE-500. 


After much comparing, I concluded people are worrying too much about the bass in the HE-560. I was also worried about this before I received mine, since I listen to mostly electronic. I do need to turn up the volume quite a bit compared to my HE-500 so the HE-560 seems thin before I volume match. Once I get them the same volume, it's apparent it's neither thin nor any less in quantity than the HE-500.

 

If you want more than the HE-400 I recommend the LCD2. I had one for a week and thought it was a beautiful sounding headphone that extended extremely deep without sounding too much or bloated (with what I like to listen to).

 

Right now, for me the HE-560 is perfect..


Actually, still have it, but it will be up for sale once I get the other pads (waiting on a trade to be completed). Oh really? The 560 has less, lol.

Very nice though.

Meh, the LCD2 is old news and too expensive, lol. On to the 400i!

post #5169 of 9608
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Originally Posted by tin427 View Post


Wow thanks for the input. Maybe i should consider the nfb-6 .

 

I owned five of the Audio GD amps and enjoyed them all except the nfb-6. SE it sounded dreadful. Balanced was somewhat better. Took me forever to sell it. 

post #5170 of 9608
I'd much more recommend the SA31SE... That thing was made for Hifimam orthos, kinda... You can even adjust the warmness!
It has a big sound too, distortion and stuff.
I just ordered mine and I bet it'll kick my Compass2 amp ass.
C2 will stay as DAC. Still a very decent DAC I might add smily_headphones1.gif
post #5171 of 9608
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Originally Posted by Headphoner View Post
 

Anyone having difficulty tightening or loosening the nut that attaches the cables to the ear cups may find the following wrench useful.

 


http://www.toolplanet.com/product/MIT-6-MM-Polished-Combination-Wrench-MIT-21231?vfsku=MIT21231&gpla=pla&gclid=CPG7-7auv78CFYZaMgodvVQAiw

Hey, thanks for that! I actually posted a question asking for just such a tool for my HE500s a while back.

Has anyone tried different cables for the 560 yet?


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/12/14 at 6:05am
post #5172 of 9608

One other thought-- I don't understand how anyone could consider the HE560 overpriced when it seems easily on the level of the HD800, TH900, and LCD3 (certainly sonically and comfortwise). 

I consider it a bargain for what you get, definitely a wall-of-fame phone.

Maybe people expected the HE500 price, but these are a major advancement I believe and the 500 was underpriced, which I think was competitive with a T1 or LCD2.

(I still have my HE500, but sold the T1 and LCD2, as I like the Hifiman sound more.)

 

Also, the comfort and pads are just fine. I have pretty big ears and there is enough space in all dimensions and the pad thickness and bounciness feels just right.


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/12/14 at 6:31am
post #5173 of 9608
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

This is supposed to be more of a neutral phone :p  What do you expect?  LOL. If you do want something with a little more bass, may I recommend the PM-1 or 400i (when released)? 

 

I don't think the PM-1 has more bass than the 560.

post #5174 of 9608
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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post
 

 

Too bad the SA31SE isn't a fully balanced amp... even though it has a 4 pin XLR connector for balanced headphone hookup, it still uses a single-ended topology internally (from input to output). I figure if you're spending over $300US, why not try to get an amp that has both balanced and single-ended outputs? Of course the Lyr 2 is just SE as well. And if you step up to the Mjolnir, it's a purely balanced amp - and you can't use SE adapters with it (read the product FAQ for the warnings).

 

I'd look at the NFB6 - it has both SE and balanced headphone outputs and is a fully balanced design. And it costs a little less than the SA31SE as well. The only advantage I can see on the SA31SE is the volume control with it's much finer resolution. I'm going to continue saving my money and eventually pick up a Bryston BHA-1 - that's the best solid state headphone amp I've heard yet. One of these days I'll make it to a big Head-Fi meet or something like RMAF/CanJam and get to try/hear the Headamp GS-X Mk 2. The GS-X is quite a ways out of the price range I'd normally look at, but from everything I've read, it's the "cat's meow" of solid state amps, able to drive any headphone with impressive neutrality and power.

 

Sigh, so many options, so little money... :)

 

Dale

 

 

Are you sure the BHA-1 is a balanced amp from input to output?  

post #5175 of 9608
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Speaking of amping, I am getting the SA31SE for these biggrin.gif

 

That's great, but then with all that power, won't you be tempted to hear the HE-6 properly driven?  And then you'll have a dilemma :evil:  ;) 

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