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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Speaking of amping, I am getting the SA31SE for these biggrin.gif
Still cant decide sa31 or lyr2... Solid state or tube..

 

Too bad the SA31SE isn't a fully balanced amp... even though it has a 4 pin XLR connector for balanced headphone hookup, it still uses a single-ended topology internally (from input to output). I figure if you're spending over $300US, why not try to get an amp that has both balanced and single-ended outputs? Of course the Lyr 2 is just SE as well. And if you step up to the Mjolnir, it's a purely balanced amp - and you can't use SE adapters with it (read the product FAQ for the warnings).

 

I'd look at the NFB6 - it has both SE and balanced headphone outputs and is a fully balanced design. And it costs a little less than the SA31SE as well. The only advantage I can see on the SA31SE is the volume control with it's much finer resolution. I'm going to continue saving my money and eventually pick up a Bryston BHA-1 - that's the best solid state headphone amp I've heard yet. One of these days I'll make it to a big Head-Fi meet or something like RMAF/CanJam and get to try/hear the Headamp GS-X Mk 2. The GS-X is quite a ways out of the price range I'd normally look at, but from everything I've read, it's the "cat's meow" of solid state amps, able to drive any headphone with impressive neutrality and power.

 

Sigh, so many options, so little money... :)

 

Dale

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For the record, I totally am hating on all of you who have their 560s while I sit and suffer without mine! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
My 560 is sent to me 3 weeks ago, but to my old address in a different country. Now I'm waiting to go back there, in the next 2 weeks, to pick my headphone up. I'm more disappointed than you lol
post #5148 of 8415
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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post

Too bad the SA31SE isn't a fully balanced amp... even though it has a 4 pin XLR connector for balanced headphone hookup, it still uses a single-ended topology internally (from input to output). I figure if you're spending over $300US, why not try to get an amp that has both balanced and single-ended outputs? Of course the Lyr 2 is just SE as well. And if you step up to the Mjolnir, it's a purely balanced amp - and you can't use SE adapters with it (read the product FAQ for the warnings).

I'd look at the NFB6 - it has both SE and balanced headphone outputs and is a fully balanced design. And it costs a little less than the SA31SE as well. The only advantage I can see on the SA31SE is the volume control with it's much finer resolution. I'm going to continue saving my money and eventually pick up a Bryston BHA-1 - that's the best solid state headphone amp I've heard yet. One of these days I'll make it to a big Head-Fi meet or something like RMAF/CanJam and get to try/hear the Headamp GS-X Mk 2. The GS-X is quite a ways out of the price range I'd normally look at, but from everything I've read, it's the "cat's meow" of solid state amps, able to drive any headphone with impressive neutrality and power.

Sigh, so many options, so little money... smily_headphones1.gif

Dale
Wow thanks for the input. Maybe i should consider the nfb-6 .
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Got mine Friday morning. Been running in hard with burn-in disc's (hard frequency sweeps) and lots of low frequency energy pipe organ, anything to stretch the diaphragm. STILL have a ways to go, however it's much more likeable now. Tried some simple yet vibrant trio works from Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky, in the form of a Deutsche Grammophon recording (B0013504-02). Lang Lang (Piano), Vadim Repin (Violin) and Mischa Maisky (Cello) joined forces for the spirited, impassioned, heart felt works. Lang Lang stopped his soulless playing long enough to actually contribute here (a small miracle). 

 

The upper register's of the Violin were exquisite. A lit from within quality I prize highly, a velvety, non-congealed sheen that was better than most headphone renditions. Didn't hear only the bridge and string of the Cello.... heard the body as well, all the roundness, ebb and flow of it's tonalities. Mischa had the support role, lots of responses to Vadim's Violin, the layering is better than I remembered from the recording. Good job HE-560! The Piano was quite special, the hammer strike, the sound board resonance and reflections from floor and ceiling were in proper order, with correct weight and decay. Piano is the hardest to render..... it was rendered.

 

Meridian front end and Burson Soloist connected via Cardas Clear. It will get better by Friday next, as the burn-in concludes. Color me impressed.... and I don't impress easily any longer. The funny part? It's a near good recording, not great. It sounded great........  

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For the record, I totally am hating on all of you who have their 560s while I sit and suffer without mine! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
My 560 is sent to me 3 weeks ago, but to my old address in a different country. Now I'm waiting to go back there, in the next 2 weeks, to pick my headphone up. I'm more disappointed than you lol

 

I'm sorry, was someone crying in here? I didn't hear it as I was too engaged by the musicality of my new HE-560s! :D

 

One week in and I'm loving them more every day... was just listening to some Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga - both were well represented by the 560s. I'm not sure if it's headphone burn-in or my brain burn-in in getting used to the 560s, but I'm really noticing an improvement in the bass. It's always been tight, accurate and present, but now it's starting to show some real impact. I know some users absolutely detest EQ but I was playing around with Amarra on my Mac and noticed they had some EQ presets for some of the Audeze planars - I tried them and really love the impact and presence of the full range on the 560s when I apply the LCD-2 preset. I'll have to take a look later and see what exactly the preset is doing, but it certainly seems to pair beautifully with the HE-560. Curious if any other Mac users experience the same thing?

 

Dale

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Anybody wanna fill in the rest of the gaps that have heard the 400i and 560? Treble and overall detail as well as airiness gain on the 560 vs the 400i is what is left. What's the difference?

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Ooo, that sounds like a nice combo. Looking forward to your impressions. I miss my EF-5. I will probably spring for the HE-560 when I get the funds. My choices so far for my next amp are the EF-5 (again), Lyr 2, and Compass 2. Man, I need to get off Head-Fi and go find a job.

You'll certainly need a job/income buying those amps and that headphone, lol.

 

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Originally Posted by chengka7 View Post they are really close to my Abyss in terms of SQ.

Wat is the abyss?

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You'll certainly need a job/income buying those amps and that headphone, lol.

 

Wat is the abyss?

http://abyss-headphones.com/

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/jps-labs-abyss-ab-1266-planar-magnetic-headphones

post #5154 of 8415
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 

Anybody wanna fill in the rest of the gaps that have heard the 400i and 560? Treble and overall detail as well as airiness gain on the 560 vs the 400i is what is left. What's the difference?

 

The 400i has a larger bass body and presence overall.  Treble extension was a little less than on the 560 from memory.  I do make a quick comparison between the two in this post here:

 

Quote: http://www.head-fi.org/t/711824/hifiman-he-560-impressions-discussion-thread/3645#post_10652826

HE-400i vs HE-560

 

As you could guess, the signatures of these two headphones are quite different (they are designed to be).  From what I've read, and some of what I heard, the 400i are supposed to be tailored closer to what the HE-500 originally offered.  It's warmer and more relaxed in nature than the more neutral 560.  The 400i has a bigger bass body though both have great depth and presence as a whole.  The 560's midrange isn't as energetic as the 400i's either.  As stated, treble is more up front with the 560.

 
post #5155 of 8415
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Originally Posted by allets View Post
 

head-fi you're killing me :D I am impulse buying these after seeing them for 800 :) are there aftermarket cables for these?

Too bad you didn't pick them up for $720 new from HeadRoom.

 

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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 

Bass quantity, in my experience:

 

LCD 2.2 (pre-fazor) > HE-500 > HE-560 > HD800

560 less than 500? Yuck.

post #5156 of 8415
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 

Too bad you didn't pick them up for $720 new from HeadRoom.

 

560 less than 500? Yuck.

 

This is supposed to be more of a neutral phone :p  What do you expect?  LOL. If you do want something with a little more bass, may I recommend the PM-1 or 400i (when released)? 


Edited by tinyman392 - 7/12/14 at 12:19am
post #5157 of 8415
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Originally Posted by moshen View Post
 

 

This is pretty accurate. I'd add:

 

LCD 2.2 >> HE-400 > HE-500 > (marginally) HE -560 > HD800

 

The bass difference between my HE-500 and HE-560 is subtle and only around 30hz and under the HE-500 has slightly more rumble. HE-500 also has a bit more punch to the bass, but the HE-560 has a bit more clarity and sounds more open.

 

The HE-560 bass does have a bit better clarity, although I'm not sure if this is mostly because it has slightly less rumble.

 

The HE-500 is slightly more 'fun' due to a bit more punch and sub bass and the HE-560 a bit more open and refined.


Honestly, you'd have to swap both headphones back and forth and volume match perfectly to be able to tell these differences. Listening to just one w/o the other they sound really similar.

Wow, the LCD may have too much bass even for me if that's how much it has relative to the 400. Thanks for the viewpoint. But for the 560 to have less than the 400, bleh. 400i for me.

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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 
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Bass quantity, in my experience:

 

LCD 2.2 (pre-fazor) > HE-500 > HE-560 > HD800

560 less than 500? Yuck.

 

Note that this is just referring to bass quantity... not necessarily the overall impression of the entire headphone sound quality. Now that I've had a full week to listen to my HE-560s, my overall impression based on headphones I've used and know relatively well:

 

Stax SR-007 > HD800 > HE-560 > HE-6 > HE-500 > HD650 > SE-530 IEM > Momentum Over-The-Ear > Beyer DT770 Pro/250 ohm > SE-215 IEM > Astro A38 Bluetooth

 

This is really subjective and certainly my personal opinion. Given the differences in the way we all hear sound, I wouldn't be surprised to see a totally different order from someone else.

 

Dale

post #5159 of 8415
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Originally Posted by tin427 View Post


Still cant decide sa31 or lyr2... Solid state or tube..


Easy, tube. With a tube you can tailor the sound to your liking.

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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
 

Such detail. Very nice.

 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

The 400i has a larger bass body and presence overall.  Treble extension was a little less than on the 560 from memory.  I do make a quick comparison between the two in this post here:

HE-400i vs HE-560

 

As you could guess, the signatures of these two headphones are quite different (they are designed to be).  From what I've read, and some of what I heard, the 400i are supposed to be tailored closer to what the HE-500 originally offered.  It's warmer and more relaxed in nature than the more neutral 560.  The 400i has a bigger bass body though both have great depth and presence as a whole.  The 560's midrange isn't as energetic as the 400i's either.  As stated, treble is more up front with the 560.

 

Larger presence? What does that mean? I suppose I would like less treble extension. I'm sensitive to it.
What does warm mean regarding a headphone and up front treble?

 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

This is supposed to be more of a neutral phone :p  What do you expect?  LOL. If you do want something with a little more bass, may I recommend the PM-1 or 400i (when released)? 

I know, lol. I expected that I suppose. Still, bleh. Look at my sig, lol. I'm preordering the 400i unless someone can convince me of another planar. I even made a thread about it for best ones under $1000 (really $750 for me).

 

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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post
 

 

Note that this is just referring to bass quantity... not necessarily the overall impression of the entire headphone sound quality.

Oh i know.

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