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post #4411 of 8276

Peter, can you relay these measurements to Fang and bring up the idea of re-introducing the older model earpads as seen on the preorder 560?  The bump at 4khz introduced by the newest pads will be seen as troublesome for a lot of people.

post #4412 of 8276
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Originally Posted by hifiman-us View Post
 

Yes, that is correct. For certain size heads and ears the pads were not a perfect fit so the openings were made slightly larger.

 

Peter

 

Which then begs the question, why was the decision made to change the materials/construction, as opposed to simply making the same pads, but with larger openings?  I think it's safe to say that the change in sound signature that many are complaining about is due to the materials used in the new version of the pads.

 

For the record, I'm not complaining, just an interested future owner following the debate.

post #4413 of 8276
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Which then begs the question, why was the decision made to change the materials/construction, as opposed to simply making the same pads, but with larger openings?  I think it's safe to say that the change in sound signature that many are complaining about is due to the materials used in the new version of the pads.

 

For the record, I'm not complaining, just an interested future owner following the debate.

I am unaware of a change in material on current ear pads. Fang is always looking for ways to improve his products. 

 

Response we have had to HE-560s being shipped has been excellent.

 

Peter

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post #4414 of 8276

There has been a change of the material on the inside of the pads, from a mesh-like fabric to pleather.  Please refer to this post for more details, including objective data on the differences the pads make:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/711824/hifiman-he-560-impressions-discussion-thread/4380#post_10685957

 

 

I think Fang would like to know.

post #4415 of 8276
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Originally Posted by hifiman-us View Post
 

I am unaware of a change in material on current ear pads. Fang is always looking for ways to improve his products. 

 

Response we have had to HE-560s being shipped has been excellent.

 

Peter

 

As @TMRaven noted, and also there are some photos posted that show the difference.  This one doesn't quite capture it, but the difference in materials is well-documented by Head-Fiers who currently possess the pre-production and production versions of cans & pads:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/1135398/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

 

Again, I'm not complaining, just trying to assist with the facts.  As far as I'm concerned, they are Fang's 'phones, and he can tune them any way he sees fit.  That doesn't negate the argument, though.


Edited by ThurstonX - 7/5/14 at 8:48am
post #4416 of 8276

Please stop doing revisions of EVERYTHING, Hifiman team... Once you release certain headphones or pads, just be done with it. You are only frustrating a lot of customers that way...

 

I haven't even received my set of production hybrid earpads yet and am already fed up by people requesting revision or re-release of another variation of the pads!

 

I was thinking about waiting for about a year or so until trying out the definite version of HE-400i... But now, I should be waiting for the final revision of EARPADS as well! :mad: 


Edited by Ron12 - 7/5/14 at 8:51am
post #4417 of 8276

If Hifiman were to do this properly, it wouldn't require a revision and added delays.  I propose them have an option for both the new pads and the older pads, so not just redoing their new pads and further delay things.

post #4418 of 8276
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

If Hifiman were to do this properly, it wouldn't require a revision and added delays.  I propose them have an option for both the new pads and the older pads, so not just redoing their new pads and further delay things.

 

If they are going to release another version of the pads, I want all my money back (+ free return shipping). I am not going to tolerate this kind of behavior... Planning to release a variation or revision of a product ONLY few days after introducing it on the market is not fair to us, early adopters.

post #4419 of 8276
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

If Hifiman were to do this properly, it wouldn't require a revision and added delays.  I propose them have an option for both the new pads and the older pads, so not just redoing their new pads and further delay things.

 

If it's feasible from a production POV, I second that wholeheartedly.  HFM wouldn't even need to ship both, given their relative cost compared to the cheaper old pleather and velour pads.  They might generate enough sales to make it worth their while to produce both.  Offer an option (on head-direct, at least) for which pads to ship with new purchases.  I'm sure they can describe the sonic differences based on the abundance of feedback in this thread alone.

 

Here's to hoping...

post #4420 of 8276
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

If they are going to release another version of the pads, I want all my money back (+ free return shipping). I am not going to tolerate this kind of behavior... Planning to release a variation or revision of a product ONLY few days after introducing it on the market is not fair to us, early adopters.

 

 

That's sort of out of line.  What's wrong with you buying a new set of pads maybe one month down the line if you feel your current HE-560 is a bit too lower treble happy?  I know I personally wouldn't be opposed to it.  In worst case scenario, maybe you aren't happy with the way your HE-560 sounds and hifiman sends you a free set of older pads from their US warehouse.

 

Back when the HE-400 shipped, it came default with pleather pads, no options included.  It took the head-fi community a month or two before they realized the he-400 sounded better with the velour pads.  I happily went on hifiman's site and bought myself a pair of velour pads and haven't looked back since.  

 

Hell, this isn't even to say that you won't like your 560 when it gets shipped to you.  Prior to Cute saying he had some problems with the 4khz peak of the 560, the response to the production 560 was overwhelmingly positive.

post #4421 of 8276

So if there is anyone from the Hifiman team here, please respond... Because otherwise I will just refuse to accept my package (with the hybrid pads) and request all my money back. I want to have the one and only, current and best version of the product... Not something sonically or comfortwise inferior to some other version that is (maybe) planned to be released only FEW DAYS/WEEKS AFTER.

post #4422 of 8276
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

 

 

That's sort of out of line.  What's wrong with you buying a new set of pads maybe one month down the line if you feel your current HE-560 is a bit too lower treble happy?  I know I personally wouldn't be opposed to it.  In worst case scenario, maybe you aren't happy with the way your HE-560 sounds and hifiman sends you a free set of older pads from their US warehouse.

 

Back when the HE-400 shipped, it came default with pleather pads, no options included.  It took the head-fi community a month or two before they realized the he-400 sounded better with the velour pads.  I happily went on hifiman's site and bought myself a pair of velour pads and haven't looked back since.  

 

Hell, this isn't even to say that you won't like your 560 when it gets shipped to you.  Prior to Cute saying he had some problems with the 4khz peak of the 560, the response to the production 560 was overwhelmingly positive.

 

I bought the pads for my HE-4.

post #4423 of 8276
Peter and Fang,

I have cancelled my pre-order of the HE-560 until this latest pad materials revision issue gets clarified (or options to purchase) one way or another.
Product materials and measurement deltas at this late date not the clearest product launch.
post #4424 of 8276

for members with both the pre production and production pads, is it also plausible that the latter pads are stiffer and

places the ear farther away from the transducers, thus causing the 4k mid-treble emphasis?

post #4425 of 8276

When I took my preorder and production pads off to take pictures of them side by side, both were the exact same thickness.

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